Former NASA Scientists ask NASA to drop CO2 Claims

[Roland]

Does it have to be either or?
Couldn't there be global warming that isn't catastrophic?

That there could be but if there is no catastrophe to fear then why do we need a carbon tax and why do we need to fight it climate change?

[Patman Post]

Attacks on climate science by former NASA staff shouldn't be taken seriously

A letter from former administrators, astronauts, and engineers at NASA expressing climate change scepticism does not deserve parity with the agency's peer-reviewed climate scientists

Almost exactly two years ago, John Cook wrote about the 5 characteristics of science denialism. The second point on the list involved fake experts.

"These are individuals purporting to be experts but whose views are inconsistent with established knowledge. Fake experts have been used extensively by the tobacco industry who developed a strategy to recruit scientists who would counteract the growing evidence on the harmful effects of second-hand smoke."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...?newsfeed=true

As an interested lay person, I listen to the arguments, discount the more wild assertions, and then go with the majority of those I consider to be the best qualified to make a judgement. I therefore go I accept Nasa's view when it says: "Most climate scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the "greenhouse effect" http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

If I believe that, I can foresee that it is likely to be "catastrophic" in many instances.

But that doesn't mean that I don't believe governments and local authorities are abusing/milking the science as excuses to raise taxes against individuals and industries...

[Besoeker]

That there could be but if there is no catastrophe to fear then why do we need a carbon tax and why do we need to fight it climate change?

Which taxes did you have in mind?

[Roland]

Which taxes did you have in mind?

All of them.

[Besoeker]

All of them.

OK.
Specifically which taxes?

[Roland]

OK.
Specifically which taxes?

I couldn't tell you all the specific taxes because most of the taxes were all ready there and combating climate change was just an excuse to raise them. As far as I'm aware the carbon tax has not yet been introduced I may stand corrected on that.

But what we can do is stop ploughing money into schemes to stop climate change seeing as we can't as we all know. The spare revenue can either go to something useful like schools and hospitals or we can reduce tax on fuel or income giving every one a much needed break and may be putting that spare money into the real economy creating jobs that people so desperately need.

[Tim the plumber]

Does it have to be either or?
Couldn't there be global warming that isn't catastrophic?

I think we agree. However whilst there is the general buzz of catastrophic global warming putting out information which, whilst carefully avoiding saying anything definate, does sound like it's suppoprting the idea is the same as supporting the idea but without having any b*ll*cks.

[Besoeker]

I couldn't tell you all the specific taxes because most of the taxes were all ready there and combating climate change was just an excuse to raise them.

Since when did the Chancellor ever need an excuse to raise taxes on anything?

As far as I'm aware the carbon tax has not yet been introduced I may stand corrected on that.

Yet you posted this:

That there could be but if there is no catastrophe to fear then why do we need a carbon tax and why do we need to fight it climate change?

And when I asked you which you posted this:

All of them.

The only one I know of is the CCL which was a carrot and stick approach for industry.

[Besoeker]

I think we agree. However whilst there is the general buzz of catastrophic global warming putting out information which, whilst carefully avoiding saying anything definate, does sound like it's suppoprting the idea is the same as supporting the idea but without having any b*ll*cks.

I think we can mostly blame the media for that.

[Roland]

Since when did the Chancellor ever need an excuse to raise taxes on anything?

They always need an excuse. Now they don't have one I want my money back.

Yet you posted this:

That there could be but if there is no catastrophe to fear then why do we need a carbon tax and why do we need to fight it climate change?

In my original comment I said why do we need a carbon tax I didn't say one had as yet come about. When I said why do we need a carbon tax I was talking about the one the enviromental lobby say we need along side idiots such as James Hanson.

Besoker you seem to be having a real job excepting that this whole AGW thing is falling apart at the seems. Don't worry the environmental cases will have another band wagon you can all jump on.