White flight

**EMF** · 07-04-2012, 04:09 PM

I have often wondered why the mainstream-media always considers the so-called white flight from areas where immigrants are settling in in large numbers as something very undesirable. If you read between the lines of such reporting you can see that the white flight is considered somehow offensive, people rather move out of their neighbourhood than live with the newcomers.

Are the newcomers offended? Most often they are not. Why should they be? It is easier for them as the area becomes inhabited by people of their own culture by as high a percentage as possible. White flight is only a problem for the liberal left-wing who harbour some silly ideas of living together side by side etc.

White flight is undesirable in the sense that when people have got property in a certain area, the value of the property plummets when the area becomes too "international". Therefore it is only understandable that people sell while they still can get something out of their property as a year later that money could be considerably less. Some areas of London have undergone a total ethnic change in less than 20 years or so.

Besides, for most people the main reason for moving out of areas which are becoming inhabited by large immigrant-groups is not because those moving away would detest living among the newcomers but because people usually have children and most children are sent to the nearest local school. When a school becomes a place where many pupils don't even speak the language of the country the standard of education is inevitably going to be poor.

**Chrono Mizaki** · 07-04-2012, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by EMF

I have often wondered why the mainstream-media always considers the so-called white flight from areas where immigrants are settling in in large numbers as something very undesirable. If you read between the lines of such reporting you can see that the white flight is considered somehow offensive, people rather move out of their neighbourhood than live with the newcomers.

In my experience in Bradford, I found out that certain areas with a high amount of white people can tolerate ethnic minorities if they are culturally similar. Holmewood and Buttershaw have some asians and blacks... They are pretty fine as far as things go.

However you'll have other areas like Heaton, Bradford Moor and Thornbury where I haven't found a single white person. Pretty much shows as far as things are, a white area is more tolerant of other races if they are culturally similar.

Are the newcomers offended? Most often they are not. Why should they be? It is easier for them as the area becomes inhabited by people of their own culture by as high a percentage as possible. White flight is only a problem for the liberal left-wing who harbour some silly ideas of living together side by side etc.

When I was with my Mum last year, we were living in Bradford Moor. She absolutely hated it. I hated it. Areas were horrible, kids attacked our cats and even all of us suffered in some forms, attacks in form of either slurs or ignorance because of our white heritage. It was much worse in Heaton. I was living on a street called Jesmond Avenue and... Good god, never again.

During the time, we had a neighbour who were an asian family. And they were really nice people. They absolutely hated the area because... they all thought the people were too 'backwards'. They moved to a white-majority area afterwards because they want to be with people they were culturally the same. So I would assume there are few newcomers who are offended, majority aren't. But as far as things show, white majority areas are tolerant to minorities who are perceived culturally-similar.

White flight is undesirable in the sense that when people have got property in a certain area, the value of the property plummets when the area becomes too "international". Therefore it is only understandable that people sell while they still can get something out of their property as a year later that money could be considerably less. Some areas of London have undergone a total ethnic change in less than 20 years or so.

I believe 'price plummet' is because people of a certain group who buy houses in the area don't have much income or are not willing to spend money on houses. The stereotype is largely true of Pakistanis. They just don't want to pay much money for a house. Immigrant-dominated areas and low income cross over a lot.

Besides, for most people the main reason for moving out of areas which are becoming inhabited by large immigrant-groups is not because those moving away would detest living among the newcomers but because people usually have children and most children are sent to the nearest local school. When a school becomes a place where many pupils don't even speak the language of the country the standard of education is inevitably going to be poor.

One of the reasons, yeah. I'd chalk it down to the reputation of the area. Sadly more 'immigrants' from poorer countries will bring in a poorer reputation for the area in the long-term. It's not racist, they are poor and it does result in a poorer area where crimes are more likely to occur.

**lankou** · 07-04-2012, 05:16 PM

I am surrounded by "white flighters" they often don't fit in.

**Traditionalist** · 07-04-2012, 05:19 PM

I watched a property show the other day with a middle class couple on who had left London for the Scottish Highlands.
They said they would miss London's diversity.
Ive never heard such a blatant lie in my life.

**Northumbrian** · 07-04-2012, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Traditionalist

I watched a property show the other day with a middle class couple on who had left London for the Scottish Highlands.
They said they would miss London's diversity.
Ive never heard such a blatant lie in my life.

Surely Scotland can't be THAT bad?

**flamingreen** · 07-04-2012, 05:20 PM

people usually have children and most children are sent to the nearest local school. When a school becomes a place where many pupils don't even speak the language of the country the standard of education is inevitably going to be poor.

Not always, because money is poured into immigrant schools, I think the issues are more social. Firstly people naturally do not wnat their child to be an ethnic minority at school, in our own homeland. Secondly however is the issue of social isolation. It is much harder for a child to make good friends at school when they are in an ethnic minority, most ethnic groups do tend to stick to stick together, often there are issue over language, but even mor eof a problem for the ethnic British kids is that even when there is what Globalists and Gloabalist Apologists consider a *good* and *diverse* mix so that children are not too obviouslsy clustering in ethnic cliques, and children are mixing pretty much through and through at school, often this is as far as the friendships ever get, there isnt any depth to it and little contact beyond the school gate. The child has a birthday party for example and ethnic minority 'friends' either simply fail to show, or make some excuse. Even into the teenage years when childrne are mor eindependent, then foreign chidlren often put family and their community activities first, sometimes having to help out at home in a family business for example, and neglect and let the side down with their British '*friends*. Many foriegn parents just do nto seem to set any real value on their childrens friendships with British children (just as they set no real value on any aspect of British culture?) I have had little contact with recently arrived Polish families with young children at school, but I strongly suspect it will be similar, with children frequently whisked off to Poland for the long school holidays and any British friends they have made abandoned, and activites within the *Polish community* such as attending Saturday school, taking precedence over activities with British school friends.

Its only British people who think its benficial for their children to have *diversity* in their friends, most other people consider its better for their children to be friends with the children of people they know and trust.

There are of course some immigrants who are exceptions to this, those who are Britannophiles and actually want their children to become culturally British, or at least to become more fully bilcultural so they can move easily in both cultural milieu (but even then one must ineviatbly take precedence.) Clealry a religious divide ensures that it is the culture of the homeland will always be favoured.

**Chrono Mizaki** · 07-04-2012, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by flamingreen

Not always, because money is poured into immigrant schools, I think the issues are more social. Firstly people naturally do not wnat their child to be an ethnic minority at school, in our own homeland. Secondly however is the issue of social isolation. It is much harder for a child to make good friends at school when they are in an ethnic minority, most ethnic groups do tend to stick to stick together, often there are issue over language, but even mor eof a problem for the ethnic British kids is that even when there is what Globalists and Gloabalist Apologists consider a *good* and *diverse* mix so that children are not too obviouslsy clustering in ethnic cliques, and children are mixing pretty much through and through at school, often this is as far as the friendships ever get, there isnt any depth to it and little contact beyond the school gate. The child has a birthday party for example and ethnic minority 'friends' either simply fail to show, or make some excuse. Even into the teenage years when childrne are mor eindependent, then foreign chidlren often put family and their community activities first, sometimes having to help out at home in a family business for example, and neglect and let the side down with their British '*friends*. Many foriegn parents just do nto seem to set any real value on their childrens friendships with British children (just as they set no real value on any aspect of British culture?) I have had little contact with recently arrived Polish families with young children at school, but I strongly suspect it will be similar, with children frequently whisked off to Poland for the long school holidays and any British friends they have made abandoned, and activites within the *Polish community* such as attending Saturday school, taking precedence over activities with British school friends.

That is actually... correct. You are right, but it's sadly down to the Parents and how they raise their children. They are only friends within the School gates, but beyond that, they are total strangers. It's a common scenario and I find it sad in a way.

There are of course some immigrants who are exceptions to this, those who are Britannophiles and actually want their children to become culturally British, or at least to become more fully bilcultural so they can move easily in both cultural milieu (but even then one must ineviatbly take precedence.)

You're right. In the end, there has to be a 'priority' and the correct answer is the British option since... they are in Britain. It's right to teach them about their parent's heritage, no one is denying that. But it should not be a priority. In the country where you live, you should try to integrate as much as possible. It is courtesy after all.