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    Because if speed ,temp and Energy are known, or defined as unchanging, then the mass must be defined as unchanging. To do that requires some value, even if it's degree of darkness in the clouds or water in his buckets. It is simply not even hinted at. No m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
    Don't agree on two counts.
    Firstly, the comment it being an indicator doesn't exclude others.
    Secondly, being an indicator does not infer proportionality. Just a relationship.
    It is not just the use of the comment "an indicator" but the fact that it is followed by "Accordingly, there is no evidence..." in the next sentence. So they are saying the study has found that wind speed has remained steady for 15 years and that is sufficient to conclude there is no evidence that weather extremes are on the rise. That's possibly not the truth of the research but it's what the article is telling us.

    The second point depends on the first.

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    chimera, would you like a nice hot cup of superluminal neutrinos to calm your nerves?
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    Which nerves need calming?
    I would be anxious if a shop gave me a cup of hot water and says that proves there is coffee in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron View Post
    It is not just the use of the comment "an indicator" but the fact that it is followed by "Accordingly, there is no evidence..." in the next sentence. So they are saying the study has found that wind speed has remained steady for 15 years and that is sufficient to conclude there is no evidence that weather extremes are on the rise.
    Yes, it may be sufficient but it doesn't exclude the possibility of other indicators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
    Yes, it may be sufficient but it doesn't exclude the possibility of other indicators.
    Like flying pigs causing a greater disturbance than butterflies.

    Come on Mr B. If there is no evidence of AGW causing more storms then it is not happening. I understand that being scientifically correct is important but you also have to balance that with plain speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
    .. the possibility of other indicators.
    Or the compulsion to know mass. KE compels that. If the weight of water is increasing, then K Energy rises. (And if mass decreases, KE is dropping). Increase may be due to higher humidity, increased rainfall, larger diameter and /or altitude of the hurricane limits and longer time duration of the system.
    My post #2 gives other factors which also are necessary for a scientific statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    I understand that being scientifically correct is important but you also have to balance that with plain speaking.
    Plain speakin' ain't saying things that are not correct..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by chimera View Post
    Or the compulsion to know mass. KE compels that. If the weight of water is increasing,
    Where do you get the water from?
    hurricane wind speed
    Wind is air in motion.
    And yet again, it isn't weight - it's mass. The KE would be the same regardless of the presence or otherwise of gravity. But no gravity, no weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besoeker View Post
    Plain speakin' ain't saying things that are not correct..............
    But when you say that "x" event is not likley the uneducated think that it means it is very possible. When the accuracy of a prediction of say 1m is +/- 1m that should not be an opportunity to say "well it might be 2m!". It should be the time to say "nothing then".
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