Conservatives or are they Social Democrats.

[Niall Warry]

I though these definitions might interest you.

Socialism – A political and economic theory of social organisation which advocates state ownership and the means of production, distribution and exchange.

Conservative – The inclination especially in politics to maintain the existing traditional order.

Liberal - A political orientation that favours social progress by reform and by changing laws rather than revolution.


Reading the above you would have thought the Coalition had everything covered but the trouble is in my opinion the Conservatives are no longer conservative and the and Liberal Democrats no longer liberal.

The Lib Lab Con now all fall into the new mould of Social Democrats who seem to give us the worse of all worlds!

Social Democracy - is an international political movement seeking a gradual path to socialism through reforms made on behalf of the working class. It relies on the use of the democratic process to achieve its aims as opposed to revolutionary means.

I believe a workable combination would be mix of traditional Conservative and traditional Liberal values. The introduction of any kind of Socialism into a political mix has always proved to be a disaster!

Interestingly the EU is very largely run by Social Democratic types (some even being ex-communists) which I believe explains why the EU mirrors, in so many respects the old USSR, and why it is so catastrophically failing.

What do you all think?

[Baron von Lotsov]

The UKIP has now become a second Lib Dem party and will soon be screwing you over the EU. They have already screwed you over immigration, climate change, political correctness and religion. They ran a green candidate in Bradford and a Lib Dem candidate in Wells. 'Defections' have come from the Conservatives, the Lib Dems and Labour, but still the UKIP say they have a clear set of policies and one should not vote for the other three because you can't get a Rizla between them.

[Niall Warry]

The UKIP has now become a second Lib Dem party and will soon be screwing you over the EU. They have already screwed you over immigration, climate change, political correctness and religion. They ran a green candidate in Bradford and a Lib Dem candidate in Wells. 'Defections' have come from the Conservatives, the Lib Dems and Labour, but still the UKIP say they have a clear set of policies and one should not vote for the other three because you can't get a Rizla between them.

So you agree the LibLabEUkipCon are all Social Democrats?

[Baron von Lotsov]

So you agree the LibLabEUkipCon are all Social Democrats?

Not all of them. I don't think Lord Pearson is and neither is Godfrey Bloom, and I doubt William Dartmouth is either. However they don't have any say in the UKIP's direction. It's as if the hidden hand of fascism is turning the party around. The have let in many traitors. It's a bit like when a computer gets infected with a virus and there is no anti-virus software installed and the user is completely unaware of what is going in deep in the machine. By the time they find out it is too late.

[Niall Warry]

Not all of them. I don't think Lord Pearson is and neither is Godfrey Bloom, and I doubt William Dartmouth is either. However they don't have any say in the UKIP's direction. It's as if the hidden hand of fascism is turning the party around. The have let in many traitors. It's a bit like when a computer gets infected with a virus and there is no anti-virus software installed and the user is completely unaware of what is going in deep in the machine. By the time they find out it is too late.

I wasn't talking about INDIVIDUALS but PARTIES and you seem to agree that they have all transformed into a Social Democrat jelly!

I have nothing but CONTEMPT for those who stay wedded to their party, who have different views, unless they fight vigorously from within.

Pearson,Bloom and Dartmouth still openly support Nigel Farage who is ruining UKIP.

[Baron von Lotsov]

I wasn't talking about INDIVIDUALS but PARTIES and you seem to agree that they have all transformed into a Social Democrat jelly!

I have nothing but CONTEMPT for those who stay wedded to their party, who have different views, unless they fight vigorously from within.

Pearson,Bloom and Dartmouth still openly support Nigel Farage who is ruining UKIP.

The parties are identical, but there are still individuals that are not. See how the Cons and the Lib Dems are now supporting big brother snooping to the tune of an extra £2 billion that we are constantly told we don't have. Whatever they say in their manifestos is now meaningless and that is the same irrespective of which party you vote for, except I do believe that if you voted BNP they would stick to their policy of reversing immigration. That's about the only thing I could say with any certainty. A person or a party is hated by the establishment in proportion to their honesty. The UKIP were once like the BNP, but now the establishment know they have them in the bag and feel very happy with themselves that they do.

[Road_Hog]

So you agree the LibLabEUkipCon are all Social Democrats?

They are controlled by globalists that find it useful to use them. For example, socialists like green policies and green taxes. Corporatists (globalists) like green taxes, because it is a simple way of transferring wealth (via taxes) from the population to the corporation.

Socialists like immigration, because they don't like sovereign nations of national borders, corporations like immigration because it causes wage deflation and provides a pool of cheap on demand labour.

Socialists like control (control freaks, state before individual) and favour ID cards. Corporations like things like ID cards, because information is power and is useful to monitor all you financial information and spending.

That's why we can't get a fag paper between the parties, because they all want the same thing, but for different reasons.

[England expects]

I though these definitions might interest you.

Socialism – A political and economic theory of social organisation which advocates state ownership and the means of production, distribution and exchange.

Conservative – The inclination especially in politics to maintain the existing traditional order.

Liberal - A political orientation that favours social progress by reform and by changing laws rather than revolution.


Reading the above you would have thought the Coalition had everything covered but the trouble is in my opinion the Conservatives are no longer conservative and the and Liberal Democrats no longer liberal.

The Lib Lab Con now all fall into the new mould of Social Democrats who seem to give us the worse of all worlds!

Social Democracy - is an international political movement seeking a gradual path to socialism through reforms made on behalf of the working class. It relies on the use of the democratic process to achieve its aims as opposed to revolutionary means.

I believe a workable combination would be mix of traditional Conservative and traditional Liberal values. The introduction of any kind of Socialism into a political mix has always proved to be a disaster!

Interestingly the EU is very largely run by Social Democratic types (some even being ex-communists) which I believe explains why the EU mirrors, in so many respects the old USSR, and why it is so catastrophically failing.

What do you all think?

Neoliberal is about the closest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

[Tallahassee12]

Social democrats.

[Steve Morson]

They are controlled by globalists that find it useful to use them. ....That's why we can't get a fag paper between the parties, because they all want the same thing, but for different reasons.

And because politicians are no longer in control of things. Global corporations effectively run the world these days - it why we're in the mess we are.