British Nationalism ruined

[newinn14]

Here is a statement I posted on another thread after an exchange with Mark Collett. As it took the subject off topic I think it deserves a thread of its own:


I dont like Mark Collett. Not because ive ever met him but because of what he is. He is the problem with nationalism and whats held us back all these years. Not just him but many around him, Butler, Griffin, Dowson, Harrington, Barnes, Jefferson, Golding and many more all the way down to the bottom of the pile with the likes of Dalgliesh and Stafford. ALL these people are interested in one thing, themselves. They are the parasites that through their desire for greed, to self publicise, and to win one over on the other have destroyed what we once had. They are ALL to blame. Any comments on here are just me delighting in those getting just what they deserve ie me owning Collett on here, Butler getting a taste of his own medicine. We really have been lions led by sheep.

Why so bitter you ask?

I put my whole life into the cause just to have it thrown back in my face. There is NO viable option for us now thanks to these ****. Heres a brief list of options:

1. Stay in the BNP. No thanks its just a very expensive and shrinking Griffin cult.

2. Follow Brons. He doesnt even know where he's going.

3. English Democrats. Butler and Collett? Same iceberg, different ship.

4. The party we cant mention. Interesting one. Stafford put me off this one initially with his constant ramming it down peoples throats but this partnership with the EDL is not built on solid ground. Barnes was a crackpot (and still is) and is still hugely influential on this.

5. The EDL. Whats the point of travelling miles to be herded away from sight. The BNP and NF were doing it for years and look what difference its made.

6. Freedom Democrats. Haha behave.

7. Britain First. A great idea that has been bastar dised by Dowsons desire for money and Goldings desire for a job title (along with Howson).

Nationalism has been run by egotists playing into the hands of our enemies for too long. Its about time that those of us who put the cause above ourselves tell the likes of Collett where to stick his leaflets!

[Eijnar]

The economic catastrophe now engulfing the world is entirely planned but that does not mean that its outcome will be what its planners desire. I find nothing in your post with which I disagree though I wish it were otherwise. I do feel that while our cause has been very carefully betrayed for many years this effort was caused by the realisation that the basic message is enormously popular and that in the circumstances facing us,and likely to become far more unpleasant in the future,we can attract millions of people to what is a simple and realistic aim of cutting our country free of the gangrenous economic and social policies that have brought us to this level of despair. What we now see in Greece we will see in Britain and it will take more than goodluck and prayer for any existing MP to stand up and ask the people to trust them again when it is their leadership that has got us into this mess in the first place.People will rip them to bits with their teeth when the real collapse has begun to bite and they are cold,because the power stations have been closed ,and they are hungry,because prices continue to surge and wages and benefits to fall. What happens in Britain in the next 2 years will be unlike anything the average person can imagine,this is all far from over!

[Sheepy]

The economic catastrophe now engulfing the world is entirely planned but that does not mean that its outcome will be what its planners desire. I find nothing in your post with which I disagree though I wish it were otherwise. I do feel that while our cause has been very carefully betrayed for many years this effort was caused by the realisation that the basic message is enormously popular and that in the circumstances facing us,and likely to become far more unpleasant in the future,we can attract millions of people to what is a simple and realistic aim of cutting our country free of the gangrenous economic and social policies that have brought us to this level of despair. What we now see in Greece we will see in Britain and it will take more than goodluck and prayer for any existing MP to stand up and ask the people to trust them again when it is their leadership that has got us into this mess in the first place.People will rip them to bits with their teeth when the real collapse has begun to bite and they are cold,because the power stations have been closed ,and they are hungry,because prices continue to surge and wages and benefits to fall. What happens in Britain in the next 2 years will be unlike anything the average person can imagine,this is all far from over!

If any genuine British Nationalism had been involved,instead of we hate everything British I don't think any government could of got away with what they have.
Those who are worried about Britain and its future have been taken in and used for other means.shame on them that have done this.They are just as guilty as any British Government are of destroying Britain.

[LogicAndFairness]

If you have put your whole life into the cause then how far would you realistically expect Britain to have come as compared with the other countries with Nationalist parties that represent the aboriginal people of their lands? How far has the BNP fallen in terms of achievement from the expected level, and is that more due to the leadership than it is due to the attitude of the establishment and the general public's inability to think things through properly?

I would say that the party has done pretty well and that a better leadership may not have brought us much further than we are to the goal of winning our country as there are other things, quite obvious barriers, that are holding that back. This is not to say that the leadership is not to be criticised, but just to put the whole thing into perspective.

[Mike]

The economic catastrophe now engulfing the world is entirely planned but that does not mean that its outcome will be what its planners desire. I find nothing in your post with which I disagree though I wish it were otherwise. I do feel that while our cause has been very carefully betrayed for many years this effort was caused by the realisation that the basic message is enormously popular and that in the circumstances facing us,and likely to become far more unpleasant in the future,we can attract millions of people to what is a simple and realistic aim of cutting our country free of the gangrenous economic and social policies that have brought us to this level of despair. What we now see in Greece we will see in Britain and it will take more than goodluck and prayer for any existing MP to stand up and ask the people to trust them again when it is their leadership that has got us into this mess in the first place.People will rip them to bits with their teeth when the real collapse has begun to bite and they are cold,because the power stations have been closed ,and they are hungry,because prices continue to surge and wages and benefits to fall. What happens in Britain in the next 2 years will be unlike anything the average person can imagine,this is all far from over!

I agree except the over conspiratorial idea that it was all planned. Rather kick the can down the road for the next person to deal with. Things are going to get a lot worse and no one can say what will happen. It was not just money that did us in it was the way in which trivial success went to people's heads.

What we can be sure of is that what nationalists have said is all turning out to be true regarding immigration and the EU and PC - and seen to be true. It's grimly amusing to see the politicians twisting in the wind trying to make it look as though they have answers. They are even trying to get shops to take on UK workers when they've relinquished the power to do so.

In crisis opportunity.

When the Mail calls for the rehabilitation of Powell.....

[LilyThePink]

Whilst agreeing that British Nationalism is possibly on it's last legs, my views of the causes may be different. I've made no secret about the fact that I am an outsider to nationalism, and also the fact that I have sympathies with British Nationalists, but definately not with 'white nationalism' which I regard to be foreign and more globalist breed.

British Nationalism, as represented by the BNP could have survived all it's opposition, internal strife and corrupt leadership in the same way that other parties have done, and even grown stronger because of it.
The one effective weapon your enemies had was the past flirtations with Nazi type and ideas , move away from this and it would have been a major step. The prominent, persistant (and shady) presence of WN's, the fact that they have not been isolated, and shown the door that leads to the NF, has been a major achilles heel. Even to date we have constant lauding of Nazi Germany (yesterday), constant banging on about the Jews and the holocaust, and analysis about how infererior other races are... none of which have have any direct bearing on Brtitish Nationalism (in fact none whatsoever IMO)

I don't know if other countries are suffering this effect too. but I wouldn't be surprised if one of the aim of WN is to neutralise the effect of 'local' nationalisms when they begin to show differences of opinion.

[LogicAndFairness]

LTP you mean that being racially loyal is a "Nazi type idea" and is toxic.

[LilyThePink]

LTP you mean that being racially loyal is a "Nazi type idea" and is toxic.

No, the Nazi type imagery and connections are toxic. Race goes beyond national boundaries though and produces contradictions in loyalty, it also moves towards 'race over nation'

I believe you meant to phrase your above post as a question, or are you a mind reader?

[Mafeking]

Here is a statement I posted on another thread after an exchange with Mark Collett. As it took the subject off topic I think it deserves a thread of its own:


I dont like Mark Collett. Not because ive ever met him but because of what he is. He is the problem with nationalism and whats held us back all these years. Not just him but many around him, Butler, Griffin, Dowson, Harrington, Barnes, Jefferson, Golding and many more all the way down to the bottom of the pile with the likes of Dalgliesh and Stafford. ALL these people are interested in one thing, themselves. They are the parasites that through their desire for greed, to self publicise, and to win one over on the other have destroyed what we once had. They are ALL to blame. Any comments on here are just me delighting in those getting just what they deserve ie me owning Collett on here, Butler getting a taste of his own medicine. We really have been lions led by sheep.

Why so bitter you ask?

I put my whole life into the cause just to have it thrown back in my face. There is NO viable option for us now thanks to these ****. Heres a brief list of options:

1. Stay in the BNP. No thanks its just a very expensive and shrinking Griffin cult.

2. Follow Brons. He doesnt even know where he's going.

3. English Democrats. Butler and Collett? Same iceberg, different ship.

4. The party we cant mention. Interesting one. Stafford put me off this one initially with his constant ramming it down peoples throats but this partnership with the EDL is not built on solid ground. Barnes was a crackpot (and still is) and is still hugely influential on this.

5. The EDL. Whats the point of travelling miles to be herded away from sight. The BNP and NF were doing it for years and look what difference its made.

6. Freedom Democrats. Haha behave.

7. Britain First. A great idea that has been bastar dised by Dowsons desire for money and Goldings desire for a job title (along with Howson).

Nationalism has been run by egotists playing into the hands of our enemies for too long. Its about time that those of us who put the cause above ourselves tell the likes of Collett where to stick his leaflets!

There is very little here to take issue with, except perhaps point 5.

With regard to "We really have been lions led by sheep", no, indeed, these are no sheep. An agglomeration of con-men, of chancers, and of those with egos the size of planets but brains the size of sand grains, most certainly.

The saying "You can not cheat an honest man" is the most facile and baseless I can think of. The whole history of politics is that not only can you cheat an honest man, but you can do it again and again.

[For_England]

If Mark is who I think he is, then he clearly still has psychological issues, believing he was just about to be the first BNP MP.