Robert Green Jailed - Hollie Greig campaigner

[Aardvark]

Jason,

There is nothing in that link that relates to Hollie Greig or Robert Green. It is about a list of potential paedophiles, provided by the FBI. Most were not prosecuted, but Operation Ore was the follow up process that saw hundreds of people linked to paedophile crimes. Not one of the people chased by Robert Green was prosecuted by the police involved in that operation, despite several prominent people on that list being charged (a number of councillors of all parties were forced from office). The trail did not go cold. Where evidence was sufficient to prosecute then people were charged. Looking at porn in another country was not a crime, even paedophile porn, and only people who had downloaded images could be charged. It transpires that many of the credit card details were of people who were themselves victims of fraud, but were arrested anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ore

it led to 7,250 suspects identified, 4,283 homes searched, 3,744 arrests, 1,848 charged, 1,451 convictions, 493 cautioned and 140 children removed from suspected dangerous situations

What the link proves is that the issue is taken seriously by the authorities. That makes the unsupportable allegations in the Hollie Greig affair seem more absurd. We have a system which does investigate allegations of serious crime and does prosecute people in high office. Several peers and MPs were investigated over the expenses scandal and a number of people went to prison (2 Tory peers, 4 Labour MPs). Geoffrey Archer and Jonathan Aitken have done time previously. Eric Joyce has just been done for assault. The Duke of Marlborough's son has done time for drugs as has the Marquis of Bristol. Had Lord Lucan been caught he would have been prosecuted for murder. Even Princess Anne got fined over her dogs. It is absurd to pretend that there is some immune cabal based on a massive conspiracy. Someone would break ranks and spill the beans (ask Chris Huhne about being grassed up by the missus).

[dloper]

For Jason's amusement, here is an alternative view of Operation Ore. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04...rs_covered_up/ Or is this just an Anti-conspiracy theory?

Not that Operation Ore has anything to do with Hollie Grieg.

Of course, the anti-anti-conspiracy theorists would argue with the ant-anti-anti-conspiracy theorists that The Register is just part of the propaganda disseminated by the gigantic anti-conspiracy world wide network of collusion that keeps us all in the dark, apart from the blessed few who aren't fooled - The Conspiracy Theorists, who can rely on the incomprehensible evidence of many disparate and unconnected events which connect Hollie Greig, the Mayan Calender, and the man at the end of our street who says the end of the world is nigh .....

[BCG Jason]

Paul,

Thanks for your considered response.
I am not saying any of these events are directly connected but believe that certain interests are protected. Dunblane one 'nutter' gets a license to hold a number of firearms kills 16 kids and when people start asking questions as to how such an unstable character did get the license the establishment shuts the line of enquiry with a 100 year secrey rule. Also the closing of legal gun clubs across the nation with no considered debate.

The same with the death of Dr. Kelly, the media kept telling us suicide and when doctors started asking serious questions the establisment quashes the investigation with a 70 year secrecy ruling.

Neither are in the public interest.

I do not think Anne Greig, Robert Green and Brian Gerrish do this for fun or attention. You can see the emotional stress taking it's toll on them, they are aging by the year (well Robert and Brian anyway). Getting up early on cold mornings travelling 100's of miles and standing on pavements breathing in toxic traffic fumes with the knowledge it's not good for health. They do it because they care and they can see something is wrong.
You know I have posted other examples of councils threatening Mum's if they contest that vaccines have damaged their daughters, these get picked up by the press but no investigation of the councils is ever made. Why don't the media ask this question? We keep being told every call can now be traced....

With Ian Puddick the original story said he was manager of a plumbing company and carried the £1.4m cost to the tax payer. Now the press says he is just a plumber ( trying to destroy his character IMO) and make it a tits and bum story with pictures of his wife and the man she had an affair with. Yet he won his case of defamation so we should at least acknowledge his youtube.
To me this suggests we are close to Corporate Fascism and almost anything is possible if you have the right friends.
You mention examples suggesting that Lords and Ladies are not above justice and I don't disagree with that yet also think this could be because they fell out with other lords and ladies with more influential friends.

[Aardvark]

The system is not perfect and I have been on the receiving end. I was arrested and my home was searched when I became a whistle blower (it took many years to get basic damages for unlawful arrest, unlawful search and unlawful imprisonment). I have also come a cropper trying to sue someone who seems to be beyond reproach; my case was bounced out on a poor interpretation of the law. I actually have all of the court orders to support such a statement.

I could think of conspiracies, but actually I see small people using self-interest to keep a lid on things. I don't think there is a major conspiracy over legal matters, but I will buy into one or 2 people misusing the system to protect themselves and friends. The problem with the Hollie Greig affair is it has developed into something beyond credibility and has picked up the usual fellow travellers along the way (what is David 'lizard' Icke's interest?). The moment I hear allegations of masonic conspiracies my eyes glaze over; I've been a Freemason for many years and have yet to have anyone ask me to get involved in all this sort of stuff. Even as a master of a lodge all I got was extra dinner invitations, which as an honoured guest could involve long journeys and speech making and a moral obligation to reciprocate. The linking of Dunblane and Hollie Greig is absurd, yet people see conspiracy everywhere.

The Hollie Greig case should have been promoted as a stand alone matter. The fellow travellers should have been given short shrift. Nobody should put themselves forward as a legal adviser if they are not (this really gets my goat every time - if you didn't study law and haven't passed law exams in a recognised institution then you are not a legal expert).

I feel sorry for Hollie in all of this. She has become a puppet. Ultimately she will be taken into care.

[BCG Jason]

Hi Paul,
Thanks again for replying and sorry to hear about your struggles with the law, similarly I have had many problems with health, the doctors decades ago just wanted me to take anti-depressants but by self-studying I have gradually knocked off most of the symptoms and found nutritional supplements, osteopaths and homeopathic supplements to be great. Space age technology from both Nasa and the Soviets I have found to be great too. I have helped several families have kids by changing lifestyles, helped friends and family with immune problems and back pain etc.
Every time I studied and finished the course the bar was raised by new regulations and I could only do so much study while working full time so in the end I have had to go back to the office work.
As a kid I wanted to join the army either-Paras or SAS but an injury at 14 without a proper diagnosis ended that, so I considered the police only to find your eyesight had to be good this had deteriorated just a few months after the previous injury so then I thought about becoming a history teacher but the old man said he wasn't going to pay for me to study History. So after A- Levels I ended up in a High Street Bank in a rough part of town. I wasn't happy so started studying alternative health after realising about 8 years later that I was never going to be content working in an office and since I have had comments such as 'you put the doctors to shame’ or I have answered all the questions at Nutritional seminars and you should see the faces of the other attendees when they ask what I do for a living! Of course they have multiple qualifications yet they still don't feel confident to answer the questions.
Imagine the pain when you see all these kids dying at young age from diseases like Leukaemia or paying thousands for infertility treatment in the mainstream media when I have devices that can channel energy into the body and clear blockages very quickly or identify the causes. Most disease is about toxins, injuries, infections and poor diet but the media don’t want to know, rampant capitalism is the name of the game. If you shout too loudly you get called a quack or someone get’s a wad of cash to claim you made them ill.
That’s why I like Brian Gerrish when he described what led to him becoming political, watching the destruction of Britain’s fishing industry due to regulation while it was believed the Europeans were bending the rules in his role as a monitor in the Royal Navy, it made complete sense to me.
People knock conspiracies but in the years where my health was failing before looking into alternative health I was a football fan and I noticed things, how the ranting Glaswegians never got arrested by the Police, yet young English teenagers dong the ranting often were pulled out of the crowd. I noticed when a couple of Mediterranean or Middle Eastern appearance with tailor made tweed suits could take photos at a mainline football station. It appeared they were taking pictures of each other but as I gazed at the attractive curvaceous immaculately dressed brunette while waiting for my friends from whom I had got split up in the crush outside the ground I happened to notice they were taking photos not of each other the camera was pointing upwards, and they were rotating around an imaginary object all the while taking photos in an upward direction. This was 1991 the year of the first Gulf War. I also noticed there was no police this was a shock nearly every match there would be dozens of police to stop violence and this was a fiercely contested derby match but not a policeman in sight. I couldn’t believe at first as I continued looking around and then thought about a citizen’s arrest but dressed in an old leather jacket, sweatshirt and boots thought I was more likely to be the one ending up in a police cell if I tried that. Another occasion at a big final, the headlines were fighting in Wembley Way dozens arrested etc. The only thing was the friend I was with was in a hurry to get out promptly and that’s when I saw them, rent a mob, it looked like a rock crowd about a hundred or so squatting on the tarmac all dressed in black, circles under the eyes hardly any would look at you and if they did they quickly looked down. They were not football fans for sure but it was raining so we moved on. Imagine my surprise when I see later on in the headlines about fighting in Wembley Way. A couple of years ago I went to the British Library and went back through the papers to see how many were arrested and where they came from. My old club got the blame but what did I find just 2 arrests without names and addresses. It didn’t add up so I continued searching and found it 2 weeks later Thatcher was trying to get a bill passed in parliament restricting civil liberties of football fans . This was just too convenient.
Notice we never get told we have a British Constitution but after going to my first meeting I spoke to the old man and asked him if he had heard of it, before he could answer Mum said what a load of rubbish, the old man who is almost a decade older said you’re wrong and Jason is right, I should know we were taught it at school.
Now I am not saying this to ridicule your arguments about legal expertise but believe some things are non-negotiable.
Sovereignty of the British Courts over foreign courts so that no British subject can be extradited unless a strong case is presented for review by British judges before agreeing to any extradition requests.
Trial by jury and habeus corpus - I believe all British born citizens should have these rights and if any event is used to question this , such events should not be used to change our laws in the shadow of national secrecy rulings, to me that is the mark of a totalitarian state.
Taxes – I think our taxes going to constant foreign wars, foreign aid, and Europe is unjustified and unaccountable.
All these things are mentioned in the Bill of Rights and I think they should be complementary to statute law not one trying to claim precedence over the other.
I’ve gone on a bit, so back to your post. I agree no systems are perfect but there is a point when you have to question is it just a few corrupt individuals or something bigger. I believe there are just too many examples that do not seem to get justice Dr. Kelly, 7/7 no investigation, Ashleigh Cave disabled by vaccine and Mum threatened, NHS whistleblower loses job and threatened with being burnt alive in her house, Magistrates courts splitting up families, extraditions to the US without a British hearing like Christopher Tappin to recall a few. There are more like Road Hog recently referring to those deaths at Marconi a few decades back.

As the football fans might chant

'Democracy (premiership), you're having a laugh!'

[Patman Post]

BCG

I read that to see if it helped me understand why you appear to attach yourself to every conspiracy theory going.

My conclusions are not positive.

Your mental state must be in question if you believe "alternative health" is a credible medical stance. And claiming: "I have devices that can channel energy into the body and clear blockages very quickly or identify the causes" reinforces my view.

Your whole post paints a picture of someone who is highly impressionable and easily becomes obsessed.

Perhaps you should have taken the medication your doctor offered...

[BCG Jason]

BCG
Perhaps you should have taken the medication your doctor offered...

Well I tried it but if I hadn't gone alternative then I wouldn't have helped several couples to have kids without expensive treatment, I wouldn't have an ex-partner that has become a great healer and other nurses she knew that then bought the technology, I might now be in a wheelchair suffering Leukeamia or worse in prison.

I also would not have had the confidence on 2 occasions to save Afro-Caribbeans from racist beatings too, even though I am not a fan of mass immigration from the 3rd world.

[Baron von Lotsov]

As I was saying before, I don't know if the Hollie Greig story is true, and it just might be that Brian Gerrish is being set up. Remember they do set people up - it’s a favourite trick if you want to discredit someone. Anyhow, people say there is no evidence and so I thought you might like to see this. This person is a leftwing student activist in Wales.

This is what Brian Gerrish says about what is happening in Wales.



This is what those the Red corner think of it.

Anti-fascist groups from across South Wales will mobilise on Thursday evening, the Student Activist Diary can exclusively reveal.

Student leaders in South Wales will urge activists, students and local residents to join a demonstration in exposing a fascist meeting held at Samlet Social Club this Thursday evening.

In an interview today, Zahid Raja, NUS Wales Black Students Officer and UAF Wales steering committee member, told us that ‘choosing Brian, a well-known proponent of fascism, to speak on faux-issues that underpin Islamaphobic propaganda suggests to me that this is a political attempt to inject divisive politics into the local community.’

Brian Gerrish, a known fascist sympathiser, will be speaking on “Are Our Children Safe? – An Investigation of Politics and Suicide Risks” at Samlet Social Club in Swansea Enterprise Park this Thursday at 7pm.

Zahid Raja went on to say, ‘Students should resist this attempt to mainstream racism and join us outside the Samlet Social Club at 6:30pm to show that local communities in Swansea reject this kind of baseless politics that fuels racism.’

Last year in March, the Student Activist Diary reported on the successful demonstration against Nick Griffin, who was invited to speak at The Globe pub in Swansea. Keeping in that spirit, we encourage you to register a polite complaint with the Samlet Social Club by writing to them here:

http://studentactivistdiary.co.uk/in...ng-in-swansea/

Recall how the Left in the time of Enoch Powell mobilised the more radical student unions. They are still at it, and it is all the more incredible because Brian Gerrish is not talking about race. He's talking about psychological manipulation by the state as you can clearly see if you watch the video. Something is up.

[Aardvark]

Brian attacks Common Purpose, which is a legitimate training organisation. CP is, however, linked to Labour and has received a lot of money from left-wing councils for expensive training which you can get a lot cheaper elsewhere. CP 'graduates' have been targeted in campaigns encouraged by Gerrish, it is inevitable that they will use their networks to respond to him. The UK Column is also easy to depict as right-wing. Remember Column 88? 'Column' is a favourite word of far-left (Thälmann Kolonne) and far-right organisations and is not used by the mainstream in politics. It also has masonic connotations.

It will be interesting to see if BCG 'clash' with the far laft.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Brian attacks Common Purpose, which is a legitimate training organisation. CP is, however, linked to Labour and has received a lot of money from left-wing councils for expensive training which you can get a lot cheaper elsewhere. CP 'graduates' have been targeted in campaigns encouraged by Gerrish, it is inevitable that they will use their networks to respond to him. The UK Column is also easy to depict as right-wing. Remember Column 88? 'Column' is a favourite word of far-left (Thälmann Kolonne) and far-right organisations and is not used by the mainstream in politics. It also has masonic connotations.

It will be interesting to see if BCG 'clash' with the far laft.

I always thought 'column' might have something to do with 'fifth column', as in the Spanish Civil War. Anyway those students are being directed by higher powers. I was having a little look at their Twitter accounts last night.

Regarding CP being something from the Left. Well yes it is undoubtedly leftwing, but it is very far left, as in as left as the Soviet Union, i.e. a leftwing dictatorship. Normal working class left-wingers I'm quite familiar with. I used to live up in Manchester and had many of them as customers. I'm pretty familiar with their likes and dislikes and I know that none are as far left as these people. What you have here is extremism, indeed just like you have Muslim extremists you have far left extremists as well. It is the result of severe brainwashing and often the dreamy idealist student, far away from his family home for the first time, is drawn into these student societies. When I was at Manchester University they used to hang outside the student union every lunchtime pestering you to take one of their propaganda papers and in the main foyer there were hundreds of extremist organisations, many foreign, being pushed on students.

What Brian Gerrish is saying is that these different extremists seem to be orchestrated in some way, as in they are many flavours of the same thing. This power has not gone away since the Tories were voted into power. The policies that we attributed to Labour are being carried on exactly as they were unaltered. I’ll give you some examples if you like. The climate change act costs us £18bn/year. Everything else has been cut back, but this remains intact. The redefining of marriage is hardly a rightwing conservative thing, but it is being pushed through. The reforms of the welfare system were planned to happen regardless of which party got in. There has been no change on the EU either. The Tories are still voting in more EU power in our own parliament. Also one other thing Brian Gerrish says that I can personally back through my own experiences with local politicians is this idea of publicly funded ‘ugly art’. Our town had just been attacked with graffiti, but not graffiti by criminal vandals, but graffiti sanctioned by the government. I know because I spoke to countless officially, in government, the council and the police and what Brian Gerrish says maps directly onto my own experiences. So something is wrong. They are targeting the children and young persons, just as he says they are, although I haven’t seen any paedophilia in our council yet! I know the leader of the Lib Dems part of it is homosexual though.