Robert Green Jailed - Hollie Greig campaigner

[Baron von Lotsov]

The judge asked what the defence was going to be. It's reasonable so that an appropriate amount of time in court can be allocated.

No, what happened was she was asked how did she plea and she said "not guilty" and they then reported that they had made a 'mistake' and failed to record the plea. Now that's not from the UK Column, I got that from the national press. It was interesting to notice how early versions of the story were quickly modified in sync with all the others. I was watching the case unfold like a hawk because I expected something like this to happen. There were also independent legal observers in the courtroom. I'm sure you are familiar with this sort of idea, bearing in mind I hear you are hoping to do a similar thing with elections when you qualify.

[dloper]

But you did see it happen, how was Emma West treated like she was, if that wasn't obvious collusion between different organisations then what was?

She gets halued by by BRTP, then CPS guru is a 'self confessed' Blairite, the Social Services are just 'waiting' to take her kids, the court refuses bail, the court asks her to explain her plea (what the F is that about?), the court fails to accept her plea.

Princess Dianna, dies in a tunnel, blood pathology just disapears, Henry Paul to doped to even stand, no inquest for years, post mortem bungled, cameras in tunnel switched off for 15 mins before accident, ambulance takes 4 hours to get to hospital or was it 2, very quick.

David Kelly, Chemical and biological weapons agent, only man who can stop Iraq war with regards to Blairs parlimentary lies, expert on anthrax, botulinism, sarin, soman, tabun, cyclosarin. Dies in a wood from an ant bite, only man in the UK not to have an inquest for a suspicous death.

Mike Todd, Chief Constable of GMP, investigating extra territorial rendition, dies on Snowdon in suspicious cumstances, 'felt he was being lied to by government officals', mountain rescue prohibited from searching for him, then for removing his body, blocked from entering his car so the scent dog could find him, lots of men in black in dark suits hanging around, who then disapear when chopper removes body.

MI6 agent in London, killed in flat, no evidence at all, no real investigation, concerned at 'friction' in the agency, like they are killing their own members or the public or civil servants maybee?

And the starter of the dark ways, C.S.I. David Stalker, GMP, investigating the shoot to kill policy in N.I. felt that there was a 'shoot to kill' policy and was about to reveal that, turned upside down and forced to quit, after this HMG realised it was so damming that a policy of 'Dead men tell no tales' was better than these twazocks writting memoires.

Hollie Greig....well I'll leave that to you posters and the masons.

Bringing in more unproven theories from unconnected cases begs the question, what is your point?

If your point is that the authorities can behave badly or incompetently on occasion, I concur.

If your point is that it all somehow points to some sinister masterplan....

[longbow64]

I just off to the pub commedy night, I'll have to answer you and Aardvark tomoz, thanks for repy's, talk tomoz enjoy your evenings gents.

[longbow64]

Bringing in more unproven theories from unconnected cases begs the question, what is your point?

If your point is that the authorities can behave badly or incompetently on occasion, I concur.

If your point is that it all somehow points to some sinister masterplan....

The point is that Mr DLoper, that the authorities behave in an unlawful and complicit way when needed, there is not master conspiracy, just layers of corruption from the Police who look after themselves to the Masons and there relations with police, magistrates, planning authorities and big business.

With regards to the Dianna, Kelly, Todd, and Stalker there is a common denominator, there is a certain level of embarasment that the government won't stand for, the Stalker enquiry expected John to be a nice bent copper and go with the overnment on the shoot to kill policy of troops and particularly special forces.

Dianna.

Royal blood line with a Muslim, she was probaly pregnant, Henri Pauls blood analysis was so full of alcohol, tranquilisers, and cabon monoxide that he would be unable to stand. Henri Pauls bllod sample is solid gold real estate in any conspiracy theory and low and behold it vanishes. Mr. Aardvark, I think you'll find it took so long for Dianna to get to hospital that the French government had heard about the crash and the health minister and deputy prime minister were phoning round to see what hospital she was at, but she wasn't, as for the autopsy, believe what you like who is to say she had a ruptured aorta I don't believe them.

If the Dianna crash was an accident, why did armed men break into the Paparatsi's office and take the rolls of film from that pap that walked right up to the car and started taking photo's, what did they show that would have been so damming.

How many Coroners took this case and quit? was it because they were honest and wouldn't do a bent Inquest? in the final inquest the public were barred from naming murder as a cause, only accidental death or unlawful death.

Kelly.

Had he been allowed to talk he would have changed the course of parliament as Blair would have lost his vote, this would have been a disaster as this country bums up to the 'special' relationship with America more than anything else it does, Dr.Kelly would have upset our gay bum chum America. Too embarasing, byb, bye Dr. Kelly.

In particular, the dossier compiled by the Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes shows that the method of suicide said to have been chosen by Dr Kelly, far from being common as was claimed at the time, was in fact unique.

And according to a top trauma physcian

Dr Kelly was the only person in the United Kingdom that year deemed to have died from severing the ulnar artery in his wrist, a particularly difficult and painful process as the artery is deep and Dr Kelly had only a blunt garden knife.

Dr Nicholas Hunt, the forensic pathologist at the Hutton inquiry, concluded that Dr Kelly bled to death from a self-inflicted wound to his left wrist. We view this as highly improbable. Arteries in the wrist are of matchstick thickness and severing them does not lead to life-threatening blood loss. Dr Hunt stated that the only artery that had been cut - the ulnar artery - had been completely transected. Complete transection causes the artery to quickly retract and close down, and this promotes clotting of the blood.
The ambulance team reported that the quantity of blood at the scene was minimal and surprisingly small. It is extremely difficult to lose significant amounts of blood at a pressure below 50-60 systolic in a subject who is compensating by vasoconstricting. To have died from haemorrhage, Dr Kelly would have had to lose about five pints of blood - it is unlikely that he would have lost more than a pint.
Alexander Allan, the forensic toxicologist at the inquiry, considered the amount ingested of Co-Proxamol insufficient to have caused death. Allan could not show that Dr Kelly had ingested the 29 tablets said to be missing from the packets found. Only a fifth of one tablet was found in his stomach. Although levels of Co-Proxamol in the blood were higher than therapeutic levels, Allan conceded that the blood level of each of the drug's two components was less than a third of what would normally be found in a fatal overdose.
We dispute that Dr Kelly could have died from haemorrhage or from Co-Proxamol ingestion or from both. The coroner, Nicholas Gardiner, has spoken recently of resuming the inquest into his death. If it re-opens, as in our opinion it should, a clear need exists to scrutinise more closely Dr Hunt's conclusions as to the cause of death.
David Halpin, Specialist in trauma and orthopaedic surgery
C Stephen Frost, Specialist in diagnostic radiology
Searle Sennett, Specialist in anaesthesiology


David Kelly will never get an inquiry it would be just too hard to cover this one up and argue with the witnesses and the medical experts.

Too embarasing to live Dr. Kelly,

British state death number 2


Todd.

Mike Todd, Cheif Constable GMP, was Mike about to be the second honest copper after David Stalker, tut, tut, won't do at all, remember do not upsetty poo's the special relationship or you will be deady poo's.

Was Mike Todd about to blow the whistle on this country's collusion with extra territorial rendition, as the UK is a signatuary to the ECHR torture or being a complicit 3rd party in the torture by others is a definite no, no...except when your closest boyfreind America want's you to do it, Mike was investigating this and 'felt he was being lied to by government officials' of course we all know that the UK was complicit in E.T.R. as there were regular but unscheduled flights going into and out of airports and military bases by US chartered planes that bore no identification numbers and did not appear on any flight schedules, pictures of Asian men with beards were even taken through the planes windows identifying them as passangers.

Was Mike Todd killed by the spooks, I think so, I think he uncovered too much, if it was his private life as some claim they would have instigated a full scale mountain rescue, if they thought he had been taked hostage as they later claimed, the place would have been crawling with cops with guns, but it wasn't it was crawling with spooks, the Mountain R.T. thought it was strange too.

'While conducting the search, in appalling weather, Mr Walker said a Chinook helicopter twice attempted to land at the rescue site, but was unable to complete a landing. RAF search-and-rescue crews use Sea King helicopters, not Chinooks, which are large, twin-rotor craft used for troop and equipment movement. In June 1994, an RAF Chinook crashed into the Mull of Kintyre, Scotland, killing its crew of four and all its 29 passengers, nearly all of whom were top Northern Ireland intelligence officers. Mr Walker also told the Daily Mail that, when Mr Todd’s body was finally brought down by stretcher to the roadside: “Men in dark suits were swarming all over the place. They were not in uniform. We took it they were spooks – Government agents. They weren’t normal plainclothes detectives, and they didn’t introduce themselves to us.”
He also revealed that, for unknown reasons, Mr Todd had a bottle of champagne in his rucksack when his body was discovered, and that a half empty bottle of gin was found close to his body, which was face down in a snowdrift. Mr Henderson said there was no champagne and that, although there was a Chinook in the area, it played no part in the rescue, nor did it interrupt the operation.
Both Greater Manchester Police and North Wales Police refused to comment during the coroner’s investigation into Michael Todd’s death'


So with Hollie Greig a different set of law cheif's in a different constitution but many unanswered questions and that funny feel like the above has.

[dloper]

Longbow64, I have already agreed that the authorities can act badly and incompetently. The 'unanswered questions' relating to Hollie Greig are questions raised in consequence of the unsubstantiated claims made by people who've jumped on the Hollie Greig bandwagon, either through gullability or from an overactive imagination and the desire to see conspiricies around every corner. Every coincidence, every mistake is pounced on and dissected over and over again, with each commentator adding their own little embellishment in a pathetic attempt to give their beloved theories some credibility.

[longbow64]

Longbow64, I have already agreed that the authorities can act badly and incompetently. The 'unanswered questions' relating to Hollie Greig are questions raised in consequence of the unsubstantiated claims made by people who've jumped on the Hollie Greig bandwagon, either through gullability or from an overactive imagination and the desire to see conspiricies around every corner. Every coincidence, every mistake is pounced on and dissected over and over again, with each commentator adding their own little embellishment in a pathetic attempt to give their beloved theories some credibility.

Yes I know, part of the answer was in response to some of the issues raised by Aardvark a couple of posts back.

[BCG Jason]

Longbow64 respect for your post 134, I often quoted many of the same examples but good to see you do so eloquently in one go. I would rep but have used up my quota on you for the time being.

DLoper the thing is there are just so many things that don't add up or are seen to give us justice, that was just a sample of the well known ones this is why I have suspected several times you are a troll, because at a certain point it is obvious the system is not wrking properly and protecting something , they say National Security if this is true then society has not moved on, it might just as well be human sacrifices to appease a greater power.

[BCG Jason]

[QUOTE=longbow64;1370801] Dianna.

Royal blood line with a Muslim, she was probaly pregnant, Henri Pauls blood analysis was so full of alcohol, tranquilisers, and cabon monoxide that he would be unable to stand. Henri Pauls bllod sample is solid gold real estate in any conspiracy theory and low and behold it vanishes. Mr. Aardvark, I think you'll find it took so long for Dianna to get to hospital that the French government had heard about the crash and the health minister and deputy prime minister were phoning round to see what hospital she was at, but she wasn't, as for the autopsy, believe what you like who is to say she had a ruptured aorta I don't believe them.

If the Dianna crash was an accident, why did armed men break into the Paparatsi's office and take the rolls of film from that pap that walked right up to the car and started taking photo's, what did they show that would have been so damming.

How many Coroners took this case and quit? was it because they were honest and wouldn't do a bent Inquest? in the final inquest the public were barred from naming murder as a cause, only accidental death or unlawful death.
[QUOTE=longbow64;1370801]

There is more on Diana,

According to a Sunday Mag - Al Fayed put his investigators on to finding the car and owner of the car that brushed against Diana's car.
French police stopped looking for matches after drawing up a blank in Paris. Al Fayed went further and with his resources identified the guy the day before they reached him, he commited suicide by burning alive in his car, funny this sounds like Holly's uncle after he saw her being sexually molested.
The wife said he would never commit suicide and further investigation started to build a picture the guy was not an assasin but paid to be a spotter and known to have been in the vicinity close to several well known deaths / assasinations.

Nexus magazine run an article back a few years ago on Diana and witnesses said the ambulance did not go straight to the hospital but it stopped outside and there was bouncing in the back of the ambulance before one of the staff got out into a car with a package in a bag. The conclusion rightly or wrongly was that of a forced abortion. Only after did the ambulance proceed on to the hospital.

[dloper]

Longbow64 respect for your post 134, I often quoted many of the same examples but good to see you do so eloquently in one go. I would rep but have used up my quota on you for the time being.

DLoper the thing is there are just so many things that don't add up or are seen to give us justice, that was just a sample of the well known ones this is why I have suspected several times you are a troll, because at a certain point it is obvious the system is not wrking properly and protecting something , they say National Security if this is true then society has not moved on, it might just as well be human sacrifices to appease a greater power.

Does a certain scepticism make me a troll?

I may be hairy and grizzled but I'm certainly not a troll - more like Catweazle according to my friends.

[Aardvark]

Nexus magazine run an article back a few years ago on Diana and witnesses said the ambulance did not go straight to the hospital but it stopped outside and there was bouncing in the back of the ambulance before one of the staff got out into a car with a package in a bag. The conclusion rightly or wrongly was that of a forced abortion. Only after did the ambulance proceed on to the hospital.

The ambulance stopped for the administration of adrenaline. It's not easy to insert needles on the move.

Abortion?????? Diana hadn't been going out with Dodi for that long. If she was pregnant the foetus would have been very small and she might not even have been aware. Do you know how abortions are carried out? This is a joke conclusion to satisfy the most lunatic of conspiracy theorists. I'm led to the belief that most of the conspiracy theorists, if not all, are males who have never been out with a woman. I cannot conclude anything else based on the evidence.