Robert Green Jailed - Hollie Greig campaigner

[Baron von Lotsov]

Here is an example of a Brian Gerrish report in the UK Column. As per usual, it is thoroughly researched and factual. Would you trust these people to regulate the press? I mean where you have Julia Middleton and Michael Heseltine in the same organisation (a charity of course!) then it kind of starts to stink a bit, don't you think.

http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/leve...common-purpose

[dloper]

Here is an example of a Brian Gerrish report in the UK Column. As per usual, it is thoroughly researched and factual. Would you trust these people to regulate the press? I mean where you have Julia Middleton and Michael Heseltine in the same organisation (a charity of course!) then it kind of starts to stink a bit, don't you think.

http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/leve...common-purpose

Even the most enthusiastic fantasist can have glimpses of reality once in a while, although that article still has Mr. Gerrish's conspiracy mindset as its main thread.

I wouldn't trust any politician or businessman to run any organisation which oversees an an activity they are involved with bu just because they have self interest at heart doesn't mean they're all in league with each other. However, Mr. Gerrish plays on valid concerns and inflates them into dark conspiracies. So a lot of prominent people have an association with Common Purpose. So what? The only dark hints about CP that I've heard have their origins with the Brian Gerrish clique. I bet a lot of prominent people also have many other groups in common, such as political parties, membership of trade organisations and so on. No doubt Mr. Gerrish is currently writing a piece which exposes the sinister links between people who've never met, yet were all members of the Tufty Club at one time.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Even the most enthusiastic fantasist can have glimpses of reality once in a while, although that article still has Mr. Gerrish's conspiracy mindset as its main thread.

I wouldn't trust any politician or businessman to run any organisation which oversees an an activity they are involved with bu just because they have self interest at heart doesn't mean they're all in league with each other. However, Mr. Gerrish plays on valid concerns and inflates them into dark conspiracies. So a lot of prominent people have an association with Common Purpose. So what? The only dark hints about CP that I've heard have their origins with the Brian Gerrish clique. I bet a lot of prominent people also have many other groups in common, such as political parties, membership of trade organisations and so on. No doubt Mr. Gerrish is currently writing a piece which exposes the sinister links between people who've never met, yet were all members of the Tufty Club at one time.

Yes but we know Michael Heseltine has always been working against us. This is a commonly accepted fact. Brian Gerrish is just pointing out the mechanisms involved, and I can't see anything wrong with that. This is the function of the press after all. You could level that accusation against any journalist.

I think what you are getting at is the cross inference where you have one article telling us we have a Weimar Republic Mk II and then we have something about what Heseltine is up to. It can make people think something other than what is being explicitly said. This is where the Mail is not really taken very seriously because it wilfully distorts the truth in a number of things, and so when it finds something of real value the previous exaggeration it has employed makes people view everything with a pinch of salt. Anyway, as I said before, I tend to take the good information and ignore the lunacy. How else could one possible live a day in Blighty without doing that!

[Joker]

The Holly Greig case seems to go on and on.

I looked into the case some time ago when it came up on another forum. Obviously, any allegations of sexual abuse and cover-ups need to be taken seriously and not dismissed out-of-hand. However, I concluded from the evidence (or rather lack of it, other than hearsay) that it did not really stack up.

One thing that I have noted in all the many hours of YouTube and other material that is out there on this, is that this is all about Holly Greig, and yet never did I actually hear Holly Greig speak.

Now, I know that she suffers from Down's Syndrome. However, if the allegations are true, she was clearly able to articulate to her mother, what allegedly happened to her. So she is able to speak, and make herself understood to others. Why, I wonder, is she never allowed near a video camera to speak for herself?

If anybody can point me to anywhere she is allowed to do this, I am all ears.

Indeed. I wonder when this thread stopped being about Hollie Grieg and Robert Green?

[dloper]

Indeed. I wonder when this thread stopped being about Hollie Grieg and Robert Green?

When people started trying to give it some credence by posting about completely unconnected 'cases' - a ploy which seems to be used when there is no discernable substance to argue about. Make some smoke and try to obscure the lack of real evidence....

[Joker]

Why, you might as well argue that my arrest was 'completely unconnected'. There are dark forces at work here... http://trollhunterx.wordpress.com/20...e-peacemakers/

(seriously, only 32 emoticons, and not one of them is wearing a foil hat?)

[dloper]

Why, you might as well argue that my arrest was 'completely unconnected'. There are dark forces at work here... http://trollhunterx.wordpress.com/20...e-peacemakers/

(seriously, only 32 emoticons, and not one of them is wearing a foil hat?)

'Smokin'!' as Jim Carrey might say...

[longbow64]

If we are ruled by competent people with a long term strategy, who are they? Can you explain their strategy? Surely it's not Cameron and his ilk, or the bankers? They may each be cunning and greedy in their own way, but there is no great plan, beyond each individual grabbing what he can, co-operating when it's of benefit to the individuals and cutting each others throats, usually metphorically, when it's not . That's the closest they get to a common aim. And they will all quite happily blow the whistle on any dirt they can obtain about their rivals.

I am certainly not repeating what BG says. BG sees strategies and conspiricies linking the unlikliest events. He seems to see a mysterious commonality between them - paedophiles, the courts, social services, politicians and policemen all pursuing a united clandestine goal despite never explaining what this goal is, beyond several disparate and sometimes conflicting aims.

If systematic deliberate abuse of our institutions is so rife, why don't we hear about it more? It's not because people are frightened for their jobs, as there are a lot of whistleblowers and disaffected ex employees who would have reason to speak out agains deliberate abuse. Yet all we hear is nothing more than insinuation and anecdote from BG and nods and winks from those who assure us they're in the know.

But you did see it happen, how was Emma West treated like she was, if that wasn't obvious collusion between different organisations then what was?

She gets halued by by BRTP, then CPS guru is a 'self confessed' Blairite, the Social Services are just 'waiting' to take her kids, the court refuses bail, the court asks her to explain her plea (what the F is that about?), the court fails to accept her plea.

Princess Dianna, dies in a tunnel, blood pathology just disapears, Henry Paul to doped to even stand, no inquest for years, post mortem bungled, cameras in tunnel switched off for 15 mins before accident, ambulance takes 4 hours to get to hospital or was it 2, very quick.

David Kelly, Chemical and biological weapons agent, only man who can stop Iraq war with regards to Blairs parlimentary lies, expert on anthrax, botulinism, sarin, soman, tabun, cyclosarin. Dies in a wood from an ant bite, only man in the UK not to have an inquest for a suspicous death.

Mike Todd, Chief Constable of GMP, investigating extra territorial rendition, dies on Snowdon in suspicious cumstances, 'felt he was being lied to by government officals', mountain rescue prohibited from searching for him, then for removing his body, blocked from entering his car so the scent dog could find him, lots of men in black in dark suits hanging around, who then disapear when chopper removes body.

MI6 agent in London, killed in flat, no evidence at all, no real investigation, concerned at 'friction' in the agency, like they are killing their own members or the public or civil servants maybee?

And the starter of the dark ways, C.S.I. David Stalker, GMP, investigating the shoot to kill policy in N.I. felt that there was a 'shoot to kill' policy and was about to reveal that, turned upside down and forced to quit, after this HMG realised it was so damming that a policy of 'Dead men tell no tales' was better than these twazocks writting memoires.

Hollie Greig....well I'll leave that to you posters and the masons.

[Baron von Lotsov]

That MI6 chap is in the paper again today.

It is said he wanted to leave the 'service'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...leave-MI6.html

One thing that strikes you about him is how clever he was. I mean even to a genius he was very smart. He could do mind bogglingly complex mathematical calculations in his head even when he was at school. He also seemed to be a very genuine and honest kind of guy and a very generous man, but at the same time someone who I think was very lonely because there are just not the people around who were on his level of intellect. I'd put him in the same category as Alan Turing, who was another exceptionally clever man who was treated abysmally by the government.

[Aardvark]

But you did see it happen, how was Emma West treated like she was,

Her rant did go viral and was viewed millions of times. In some ways she was safer in custody than out. There are a lot of people around who believe they have the right to impose their version of lynch mob justice.

if that wasn't obvious collusion between different organisations then what was?

For collusion read cooperation. The agencies are not tasked to work against each other.

She gets halued by by BRTP,

Their manor.

then CPS guru is a 'self confessed' Blairite,

The CPS still have to follow a set of procedures. If they screw up then they will lose the case. There appears to be a case to answer.

the Social Services are just 'waiting' to take her kids,

The Social Services would be in a lot of trouble if they didn't investigate someone who appeared to be tanked up in public and provoking possible violence whilst holding their kid. EW isn't the brightest bulb in the bungalow. When she started mouthing off someone might have attacked her and the kid could have been harmed.

the court refuses bail,

EW is on bail.

the court asks her to explain her plea (what the F is that about?),

The judge asked what the defence was going to be. It's reasonable so that an appropriate amount of time in court can be allocated.

the court fails to accept her plea.

The plea has been accepted (there is no process for rejection). The trial date is set for 11th June. Crown Court, judge and jury.

Princess Dianna, dies in a tunnel,

In France. Her driver crashed and was at fault. The final coroner's court hearing found that Diana was unlawfully killed, but by the other drivers and motorcyclists at the scene.

blood pathology just disapears,

No it didn't. The process was following French rules.

Henry Paul to doped to even stand,

Stand where? Paul was drunk and driving dangerously. He was racing.

no inquest for years,

Immediate judicial enquiry carried out by the French. It took 18 months, but the matter was too important to be rushed. The French found against Henri Paul.

post mortem bungled,

By who? What was wrong? Diana bled to death. What else did you expect to be found?

cameras in tunnel switched off for 15 mins before accident,

Conspiracy theory.

ambulance takes 4 hours to get to hospital or was it 2, very quick.

Ambulance was delayed for an hour at the crash scene whilst paramedics and a passing doctor tried to save the injured. They had to be extracted from the car, which takes time when you're seriously injured. The ambulance stopped on the way to the hospital whilst adrenaline was administered. Journey time was 41 minutes according to official records (have you ever tried to drive through Paris during the late night rush whilst trying not to shake your casualty about?). Diana's pulmonary artery was torn (almost impossible to survive) and she was pronounced dead less than 3 and a half hours after the crash. The autopse on Henri Paul started only 4 hours later. The subsequent investigations and inquests were held because of the conspiracy theories that were being peddled.

David Kelly, Chemical and biological weapons agent, only man who can stop Iraq war with regards to Blairs parlimentary lies, expert on anthrax, botulinism, sarin, soman, tabun, cyclosarin. Dies in a wood from an ant bite, only man in the UK not to have an inquest for a suspicous death.

The pathologist who conducted the postmortem examination gave the cause of death as "haemorrhage due to incised wounds of the left wrist" in combination with "coproxamol ingestion and coronary artery atherosclerosis". No mention of an ant bite at the post-mortem. Good conspiracy theory.

Under the rules we are governed by an enquiry, such as the Hutton Enquiry, has priority over an inquest. No inquest was therefore required as the enquiry looked further than any inquest could.

Mike Todd, Chief Constable of GMP, investigating extra territorial rendition, dies on Snowdon in suspicious cumstances, 'felt he was being lied to by government officals', mountain rescue prohibited from searching for him, then for removing his body, blocked from entering his car so the scent dog could find him, lots of men in black in dark suits hanging around, who then disapear when chopper removes body.

Mike Todd was drunk and taking non-prescription drugs. He was in the middle of a very complicated sex life and almost certainly took his own life. The internal 'cover up' was to protect his reputation and those who should have warned others that his behaviour left him open to blackmail.

MI6 agent in London, killed in flat, no evidence at all, no real investigation, concerned at 'friction' in the agency, like they are killing their own members or the public or civil servants maybee?

Ongoing. Let's see what the final result turns out to be.

And the starter of the dark ways, C.S.I. David Stalker, GMP, investigating the shoot to kill policy in N.I. felt that there was a 'shoot to kill' policy and was about to reveal that, turned upside down and forced to quit, after this HMG realised it was so damming that a policy of 'Dead men tell no tales' was better than these twazocks writting memoires.

Read his book.

The thing is there is nothing that logically links these matters. Those who stood to benefit were not the 'establishment' per se, but individuals close to the different matters.

My take is that Diana was killed in error - drunk people racing motorcycists and cutting each other up. No conspiracy. A crash, that's all.

Stalker was caught up in Northern Irish politics. It's a world of its own over there and I wouldn't think there is any fixed link to anything on the mainland. I reckon one or 2 people were out to get him, but not as part of a national conspiracy. The job he was doing has been done by someone else.

Todd got drunk and killed himself. His reputation and that of the force were compromised. The job he was doing has been taken by someone else.

Emma West wouldn't be in her predicament if she learnt to keep her gob shut. She's not a player in the greater scheme of things and the authorities can even let her win. Her lawyers can object to a few of the jurors, so she's got a better than even chance. The prosecution have no witnesses, only the video. She has 7 witnesses. If she loses it's her fault.

I'm still not sure about the official story on David Kelly. He genuinely knew too much. He genuinely contradicted some very powerful people. His job couldn't be done by someone else (as it was complete) and his knowledge was such that he's not easily replaced. As conspiracy theories go, that one's got legs.

Hollie Greig....well I'll leave that to you posters and the masons.

Do you really think that 250,000, mainly, retired old men give a stuff about your loopy conspiracy theory?

The point is, of course, that conspiracy theorists blur the edges. By making a conspiracy where there obviously isn't one, and where proof of a lack of conspiracy is readily available, the theorists undermine the handful of cases where the powers that be might well be up to something.