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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    Why?

    What have you got against him or is it that you know it all already and would find it boring?
    There are many people I find boring, especially those who make big claims with nothing concrete to back them up. That most definitely includes Brian Gerrish. From the few minutes I actually listened to him I heard claims of CP acting like a protection racket, threats to his life etc, and although he didn't actually say so the implication was that CP were somehow responsible for this and were directly involved in keeping young people unemployed. He also claims that it's government policy to turn young people into junkies.

    I may as well claim that royalty are shape shifting lizards. It may be absolutely ludicrous, and no-one in their right mind would take me seriously But I could still refute all argument to the contrary by saying, 'prove that I'm wrong!'. Arguing about Brian gerrish and his claims is something very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aardvark View Post
    Gerrish, on the 2 occasions that I've met him, came over as obsessive. I've looked at some of the CP stuff and I read parts of one copy of UK Column. I don't think I could trouble myself to waste an hour of my life listening to more of the same. I cannot, therefore, debunk him, other than to say that I find his work poorly researched as he starts, IMHO, from the conclusion and then works to prove it.
    The UK Column is written by a number of different people, so it is unfair to attribute it all to Brian Gerrish. It's a newspaper, and newspapers have columnists (forgive the pun) that have their own ideas.

    As for Brian Gerrish being obsessive, well arenít we all? I'm obsessive about computer programming because it is what I do. I expect those fighting the Second World War were obsessive as well. Anyway, can you tell me what aspects are poorly researched? I found those videos quite well researched as it happens. Thatís one of the reasons it is an hour long, because there is a lot of information in it. I just think there is no pleasing some people. You want a well researched, short, disinterested but interesting report. How strange.

    Finally, what do you think caused a member of our intelligence agency to end up dead inside a sports bag? The official story put out by his employers says that he killed himself after putting himself neatly in a bag. Surely you would prefer a proper explanation? My view is that if everyone believed the explanations put out by those suspected of wrongdoing without question then it is quite likely more of these sorts of things will happen. What Brian Gerrish explains in that video is more than what Nigel Farage has said in his whole career. What you get from Farage & Co. is a cleaned version of reality. What you get from Brian Gerrish is the uncut version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dloper View Post
    There are many people I find boring, especially those who make big claims with nothing concrete to back them up. That most definitely includes Brian Gerrish. From the few minutes I actually listened to him I heard claims of CP acting like a protection racket, threats to his life etc, and although he didn't actually say so the implication was that CP were somehow responsible for this and were directly involved in keeping young people unemployed. He also claims that it's government policy to turn young people into junkies.

    No one can verify his personal experiences with CP. When you hear someone speak, how often do you demand factual proof of everything they say? Some things are verifiable and others are not. Now if you think the government is here to help young people you are gravely mistaken. Have you seen a school recently? If I were you I would do a bit of your own research first. I do research these things and that is how I know much of what Brian Gerrish says is true. Some of it I don't know, but I bear it in mind and look out for things that either support or reject it. As I have said before, the only thing I really have an issue with is this freeman nonesense from John Harris. I think John Harris is working for the other side. He is the David Icke and the lizards act. Brian Gerrish doesn't talk about that sort of thing. I took the issue up on the UK column forum and was banned. His organisation is being attacked because it is causing them problems.

    This is exactly what they don't want to see in the papers.

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    The Holly Greig case seems to go on and on.

    I looked into the case some time ago when it came up on another forum. Obviously, any allegations of sexual abuse and cover-ups need to be taken seriously and not dismissed out-of-hand. However, I concluded from the evidence (or rather lack of it, other than hearsay) that it did not really stack up.

    One thing that I have noted in all the many hours of YouTube and other material that is out there on this, is that this is all about Holly Greig, and yet never did I actually hear Holly Greig speak.

    Now, I know that she suffers from Down's Syndrome. However, if the allegations are true, she was clearly able to articulate to her mother, what allegedly happened to her. So she is able to speak, and make herself understood to others. Why, I wonder, is she never allowed near a video camera to speak for herself?

    If anybody can point me to anywhere she is allowed to do this, I am all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    No one can verify his personal experiences with CP. When you hear someone speak, how often do you demand factual proof of everything they say? Some things are verifiable and others are not. Now if you think the government is here to help young people you are gravely mistaken. Have you seen a school recently? If I were you I would do a bit of your own research first. I do research these things and that is how I know much of what Brian Gerrish says is true. Some of it I don't know, but I bear it in mind and look out for things that either support or reject it. As I have said before, the only thing I really have an issue with is this freeman nonesense from John Harris. I think John Harris is working for the other side. He is the David Icke and the lizards act. Brian Gerrish doesn't talk about that sort of thing. I took the issue up on the UK column forum and was banned. His organisation is being attacked because it is causing them problems.

    This is exactly what they don't want to see in the papers.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...g-david-114525
    In truth many of our schools are run down and underfunded. A large number of young people are unemployed. Some turn to crime and drugs.

    Brian Gerrish takes the facts and adds his own interpretation saying that it's government policy to turn our young people into drug addicts, a deliberate effort which, by the way, makes we wonder what reason there might be for this 'policy'?
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    Another interpretation might be that the problems I've mentioned are an unintended or inevitable byproduct of government policy rather than a covert use of public spending policy to facilitate turning our youth into junkies.

    One interpretation requires buying into the conspiracy concept- 'It's government policy to turn my kids into junkies!'

    The other only requires that politicians be inept and callous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dloper View Post
    In truth many of our schools are run down and underfunded. A large number of young people are unemployed. Some turn to crime and drugs.

    Brian Gerrish takes the facts and adds his own interpretation saying that it's government policy to turn our young people into drug addicts, a deliberate effort which, by the way, makes we wonder what reason there might be for this 'policy'?
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    Another interpretation might be that the problems I've mentioned are an unintended or inevitable byproduct of government policy rather than a covert use of public spending policy to facilitate turning our youth into junkies.

    One interpretation requires buying into the conspiracy concept- 'It's government policy to turn my kids into junkies!'

    The other only requires that politicians be inept and callous.

    Yes indeed, you hit it on the head when you state the two explanations are ineptitude or deliberate intention. The reasoning that rules out ineptitude is that inept people don't rule. There is a huge incentive to rule because there is the possibility of massive wealth and power associated with it. There is also another indisputable argument that states that secrecy increases the power of a potential or actual ruler. Stealth has always been a military tactic, so one must expect rulers to be using stealth.

    If we agree so far then there is only really the question of what methods of stealth do they rule by. I think the primary one is they use frontman to do it. They have perfected the art of getting someone fairly thick to look like they are ruling, but are at the same time they are taking psychological cues from the real rulers without realising it (this is why they have to be fairly thick). This is what Brian Gerrish speaks of, and it is completely logical.

    I don't know whether the Hollie Greig story is true or not, but I'm not really bothered about that anyway. What I'm bothered about is what the government are doing and the direction it is heading. If you do bring in child sexual abuse into the argument then you have a huge uphill struggle. These paedophiles are often very clever at covering their tracks and it would take a whole specialist police unit to deal with it. Now it is understandable that if there were rulers involved then the police would drag their feet. The case in Belgium where this happened kind of lingered on for ten or more years. I think there are better ways Brian Gerrish can nail them. These would be a little more mundane and less newsworthy, but then here we have the problem that the public are virtually on tranquillisers, so few would take an interest. This is not an easy problem to deal with.
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    Given the inefficiencies and stupid decisions which define our institutions, it's a great leap of faith to believe in a group of people who permeate these institutions and covertly pull the strings. I cannot believe in such a nameless, faceless group of people. Who are they supposed to be? What is the great masterplan? Do they ride a monorail to meet in the lair of the Illuminti?

    The mundane explanation, whilst less appealing to those with stale pizza and coke cans strewn around the bedroom, is far more likely. We don't need sinister secret cabals of ruthless genii ruling the world through every school, social work dept, government, police force and through CP for greed and injustice to thrive. That can happen quite easily without a conspiracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dloper View Post
    Given the inefficiencies and stupid decisions which define our institutions, it's a great leap of faith to believe in a group of people who permeate these institutions and covertly pull the strings. I cannot believe in such a nameless, faceless group of people. Who are they supposed to be? What is the great masterplan? Do they ride a monorail to meet in the lair of the Illuminti?

    The mundane explanation, whilst less appealing to those with stale pizza and coke cans strewn around the bedroom, is far more likely. We don't need sinister secret cabals of ruthless genii ruling the world through every school, social work dept, government, police force and through CP for greed and injustice to thrive. That can happen quite easily without a conspiracy.
    I'm not guessing. This is not a case of placing bets at a bookie. You are ignoring my point that inept people don't rule. If you believe they do then in my mind that is the craziest of theories. All you are repeating there is the BS from those who like to protect their ill-gotten status. You are reverting back to things you have seen on the television.

    What these people are, are communists. They believe in a centralised state control system that manages the economy and it manages the psychological development of its inhabitants. Why don't you just open your eyes a bit more and first of all learn about the psychological techniques used and then take a look around?

    Here is another point. Why do you suppose when the opposition government is elected that everything carries on just as it would have done with the former government? Why are the UKIP now acting in the opposite way to what they told us they believe in and are now backing immigration, global warming and political correctness? It really annoys me that people can be so stupid, and this is why I no longer support the UKIP because they are dumb enough to allow themselves to be taken over. They would have seen the warnings given by those that know a bit more about it, and dismissed them in a similar way to how you do. I know because I have experienced it myself. Itís pride that does it. They use pride and so they blunder on without a worry in the world, totally unaware of the real opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov View Post
    I'm not guessing. This is not a case of placing bets at a bookie. You are ignoring my point that inept people don't rule. If you believe they do then in my mind that is the craziest of theories. All you are repeating there is the BS from those who like to protect their ill-gotten status. You are reverting back to things you have seen on the television.

    What these people are, are communists. They believe in a centralised state control system that manages the economy and it manages the psychological development of its inhabitants. Why don't you just open your eyes a bit more and first of all learn about the psychological techniques used and then take a look around?

    Here is another point. Why do you suppose when the opposition government is elected that everything carries on just as it would have done with the former government? Why are the UKIP now acting in the opposite way to what they told us they believe in and are now backing immigration, global warming and political correctness? It really annoys me that people can be so stupid, and this is why I no longer support the UKIP because they are dumb enough to allow themselves to be taken over. They would have seen the warnings given by those that know a bit more about it, and dismissed them in a similar way to how you do. I know because I have experienced it myself. It’s pride that does it. They use pride and so they blunder on without a worry in the world, totally unaware of the real opposition.
    If we are ruled by competent people with a long term strategy, who are they? Can you explain their strategy? Surely it's not Cameron and his ilk, or the bankers? They may each be cunning and greedy in their own way, but there is no great plan, beyond each individual grabbing what he can, co-operating when it's of benefit to the individuals and cutting each others throats, usually metphorically, when it's not . That's the closest they get to a common aim. And they will all quite happily blow the whistle on any dirt they can obtain about their rivals.

    I am certainly not repeating what BG says. BG sees strategies and conspiricies linking the unlikliest events. He seems to see a mysterious commonality between them - paedophiles, the courts, social services, politicians and policemen all pursuing a united clandestine goal despite never explaining what this goal is, beyond several disparate and sometimes conflicting aims.

    If systematic deliberate abuse of our institutions is so rife, why don't we hear about it more? It's not because people are frightened for their jobs, as there are a lot of whistleblowers and disaffected ex employees who would have reason to speak out agains deliberate abuse. Yet all we hear is nothing more than insinuation and anecdote from BG and nods and winks from those who assure us they're in the know.
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    Of course because of something called the D block in the media.

    BTW no-one is saying all police are in on this, only certain individuals, there are a number of ex-police in the UK Column and BCG from what I have seen on my few visits to their meetings.

    Whistleblowers are not the norm they tend to get death threats or threats of fixed mental assessment or children being taken into care.

    I can understand you questioning this I did too yet when I saw the Telegraph article of young kids abusers not being prosecuted due to taking too long to get to court i decided I trusted BG more than the others....
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