The Media Creation of 'Devo-Max'

[ANGLO-STAFFS]

We will not wait on English nationalism to get it's act together, just so the English can have their rightful voice in negotiation.

At least you are willing to admit that you are actively working to deny the English "their rightful voice in negotiation!"

[shagpile]

To assert that a nation of 5 million is the equivalent of another of 52 million is absurd!

When you go [which you won't], please return our Defence and other public resources . . . Nuclear subs, Army manpower, banks, and other public offices [pensions, tax collections etc] ~ and Tesco, Sainsbury etc had better re-organise and re-locate their admin from Scotland to England or they'll suffer.

When the territory we now know as Belgium separated from Holland, it suffered a significant decline. Ask the Slovaks how they are getting on now they are separated from the Czechs even though both are in the dreadful EU.

Increasing numbers of us in England wish you'd get on with it! By far the greatest number of Scots will not vote for independence, and Salmond knows it, which is why neither he nor Cameron want the English to have say because they'd be embarrassed by a big English 'YES' and a piddly Scottish 'no'!

Go and blow your kilt elsewhere!

In all this doom and gloom scenario, why do you care?

I would have thought you'd be happy with that..... you're scared. You know that an independent Scotland would unilaterally disarm your nuclear dildo. You won't be given another. International Treaty forbids it.

[rjt]

In all this doom and gloom scenario, why do you care?

I would have thought you'd be happy with that..... you're scared. You know that an independent Scotland would unilaterally disarm your nuclear dildo. You won't be given another. International Treaty forbids it.

I think more likely a site would be found for the weapons to be moved to.

[shagpile]

At least you are willing to admit that you are actively working to deny the English "their rightful voice in negotiation!"

No sir, the English can claim credit for that themselves. What right do you have to demand we patiently wait longer than it has alredy taken us to get this far?

[shagpile]

I think more likely a site would be found for the weapons to be moved to.

As I believe there is no site in England identified. There is one in Wales already considered as a viable option. The fear; as I understand it, is Wales may be next to secede.

In addition to austerity cuts, rUK can not afford it.

The UKs AAA credit rating is being reviewed at this time. The money to move it might cost more.

[shagpile]

@Morayloon

£49bn raised and £33bn given back? Have you taken into account servicing the state debt, pensions, contributions towards the running costs to the union, contributions to the EU etc etc?

And that's not including the bailouts of Scottish registered banks HBOS and RBS.

All debts and assets will be fairly devided. The UK government stands to return a profit on the HBOS and RBS takeovers. Unlike the shoddy handling of Northern Rock.

I believe rUK and Scotland have little to fear on this.

I would welcome feedback to the contrary.

[rjt]

As I believe there is no site in England identified. There is one in Wales already considered as a viable option. The fear; as I understand it, is Wales may be next to secede.

In addition to austerity cuts, rUK can not afford it.

The UKs AAA credit rating is being reviewed at this time. The money to move it might cost more.

The government is commited to keeping Nuclear Weapons as is the official Opposition, if it is to be Wales then so be it, at the moment Plaid is only the 3rd largest party in the assembly and there is no mandate for referendum, the situation in both wales and Northern ireland are different.

[shagpile]

@Shagpile

I think you'll find there is a growing number of people in England who want the union over and done with. Percentage wise, I think there are more English than Scots who want an end.

It's a pity and a disgrace that England hasn't been given the chance to vote on its own independence.

Yes I am aware of the support for constitutional change in England. We Scots can do nothing about that, it's not our fight. On your last, I agree. Personally I have been in support of your respectable and just aspirations for democracy in England, my posting history confirms that. Uncles, Cassie and their ilk screwed you..... not the Scots.

[shagpile]

The government is commited to keeping Nuclear Weapons as is the official Opposition, if it is to be Wales then so be it, at the moment Plaid is only the 3rd largest party in the assembly and there is no mandate for referendum, the situation in both wales and Northern ireland are different.

If Trident goes there, things might change quickly. Don't say you were not warned.

[rjt]

If Trident goes there, things might change quickly. Don't say you were not warned.

Trident for the moment is staying where it is because that is in the intrests of all the UK, which is what the Westminister government is responsible for, of course should Scotland decide to leave then that will have to change. In the meantime the policy of Her Majestys Government and she is Queen of Scotland as well is that we retain Trident, the government have a clear mandate on this and until the First Minister gains a mandate to change the matter then really then it really is specualtion