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    I'm neutral and open-minded about full English independence. A fairer electoral system with an English Parliament and a fairer distribution of English wealth would be enough for me. So how would you sell me full English independence instead?

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    You wouldn't need an extra English Parliament, for starters.

    A devolved English parliament wouldn't be able to make decisions on defence, foreign policy, benefit reform, broadcasting, taxation etc.

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    An English parliament doesn't necessarily have to come about before English independence. Think of it this way; wouldn't a devolved England be easier to govern than an England in a federal UK? Our opponents argue to death that we already have an "English" parliament in Westminster!

    Then there's the question of remaining Britain in post-Scottish independence. Would you rather be England or a part of some confused nation without a name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenandpleasantland View Post
    An English parliament doesn't necessarily have to come about before English independence. Think of it this way; wouldn't a devolved England be easier to govern than an England in a federal UK? Our opponents argue to death that we already have an "English" parliament in Westminster!

    Then there's the question of remaining Britain in post-Scottish independence. Would you rather be England or a part of some confused nation without a name?
    If Scotland chooses full independence then England should too. Otherwise the way forward is a (con?)federal Britain with respective Parliaments in each Home Nation, England included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelstan View Post
    If Scotland chooses full independence then England should too. Otherwise the way forward is a (con?)federal Britain with respective Parliaments in each Home Nation, England included.
    If Scotland chooses full independence, it means the end of the union and therefore an English parliament that has total power.

    Of course, a new union could be put together from the other countries, but surely a referendum would have to take place.

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    It should be the duty af all true English Nationalists to do all that they can, however minor, to help ensure that the people of Scotland vote for total independence!

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    English Independence should be at the heart of everything any English Nationalist does.

    We need not just a parliament of our own, but complete freedom so that the people of England can decide the future of our Nation without interference from either the British Elite or the EU bureaucrats.

    To get Independence,we need to come together, in a campaign group and have a party anyone supportive can both join & vote for. Only by having both will people be able to do something constructive for English Independence, but also it will show others they are not alone in their belief of a free England & will encourage them to join together and get active.

    Now more than ever we need to stand up and cry 'Independence for England!'

    Working alongside fellow nationalists in Scotland, Wales & Ulster,let us do this as equals, determined to free our respective lands.
    From this we can create a
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    federation & a non EU alternative, where everyone works for the common good.

    Let us all look to put the need for English Independence above all. Its the only way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wiglaf View Post
    English Independence should be at the heart of everything any English Nationalist does.

    We need not just a parliament of our own, but complete freedom so that the people of England can decide the future of our Nation without interference from either the British Elite or the EU bureaucrats.

    To get Independence,we need to come together, in a campaign group and have a party anyone supportive can both join & vote for. Only by having both will people be able to do something constructive for English Independence, but also it will show others they are not alone in their belief of a free England & will encourage them to join together and get active.

    Now more than ever we need to stand up and cry 'Independence for England!'

    Working alongside fellow nationalists in Scotland, Wales & Ulster,let us do this as equals, determined to free our respective lands.
    From this we can create a
    British Isles
    federation & a non EU alternative, where everyone works for the common good.

    Let us all look to put the need for English Independence above all. Its the only way.
    Surely with an English Parliament, and quitting the EU, we will have that freedom. I still don't see why independence is the only way.

    An English parliament campaign encompasses far more people than just English nationalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northumbrian View Post
    You wouldn't need an extra English Parliament, for starters.

    A devolved English parliament wouldn't be able to make decisions on defence, foreign policy, benefit reform, broadcasting, taxation etc.
    The CEP and now UKIP model does not add an extra parliament. I would also hope it had powers relating to benefits and taxation.

    I'm not quite so convinced about defence - I would think the nations of the British Isles would continue to work very closely in that area and come to some joint agreement.

    Foreign policy would be affected, true.

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    Surely at Independence time the house of lords would be redundant so could the chamber be used for an advisory house that addresses the international affairs under instruction from the national parliaments?
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