Ex labour voter

[jm51]

We need a voice for the working class, that is inclusive of a patriotic viewpoint that is anti EU & pro English parliament.

Labour have betrayed the very people they where set up to protect and are nothing more now than a middle class plaything of the trendy career politicians.




Divided we will simply be ignored, we need unity, purpose, vision and organisation.

The question is when & how?

Spot on Labour have left us, their core support behind, and tried to become all things to all men.

Would rather vote for a party I had some sort of believe in that lost, than a souless do what it takes to win, New Labour frankenstien.

[jm51]

Perhaps a vote for none of the above would help.
None of the Above - e-petitions

[paralreg]

A few to look at mate. The working class are in desperate need of a real alternative. Best of luck!

TUSC Independent Socialist Network | Home of Independent Socialists who support TUSC (Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition)

TUSC - Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition



People Before Profit

The SDP, Social Democratic Party UK

All no doubt worthy people, but is it not the same situation as the English Nationalists have, one basic tenet and twenty groups to squabble over it? We have socialist this and that, don't count the unions as they as are non socialist, as capital driven as the bankers they so happily criticise.
We need one socialist party taking on board the various segments and using their differences as a positive, thus creating a broad base with them with a truly representative ruling body.
But they wont it's not in the political animals nature, Socialist or Nationalist, dissent it seems is a strange fixation found among the more sort of people oriented groups as opposed to the big party where self concern is paramount and unity naturally springs from this.

[Little_Englander]

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, in my opinion I have been better off under labour governments than Tory.

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There it is in a nutshell. I I I.

A selfish population that votes for itself rather than the common good will always end up with a LibLabCon tri-partite dictatorship.

Serves us right!

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English girl barred from Government job...because she is wrong kind of white | Mail Online
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A vote for the tri-partite elected dictatorship, the LibLabCon, the self authorised troika, is a vote for the EU.

[paralreg]

There it is in a nutshell. I I I.

A selfish population that votes for itself rather than the common good will always end up with a LibLabCon tri-partite dictatorship.

Serves us right!

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The ethnic English do exist: Here is an example;
English girl barred from Government job...because she is wrong kind of white | Mail Online
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Blogs | Patrick O'Flynn | When being white and English is a crime... | Exclusive opinion, news and views from Daily and Sunday Express's top writers

Environment Agency in positive discrimination row over training programme closed to white English pe
A vote for the tri-partite elected dictatorship, the LibLabCon, the self authorised troika, is a vote for the EU.

Didn't some one say that a population gets the standard of government it deserves? Or something close.

[Plutonium]

All no doubt worthy people, but is it not the same situation as the English Nationalists have, one basic tenet and twenty groups to squabble over it? We have socialist this and that, don't count the unions as they as are non socialist, as capital driven as the bankers they so happily criticise.

That's the problem. And under the First Past the Post electoral system, which we are stuck with for the foreseeable future, Labour and the Conservatives will continue to win the vast majority of parliamentary seats.

That's why I believe the best approach is to work within the Labour party to change it. It is not guaranteed to be a success, but it has more chance than all the small splinter groups who have little hope of winning parliamentary seats. And it is the approach of the Labour Representation Committee.

[Little_Englander]

That's the problem. And under the First Past the Post electoral system, which we are stuck with for the foreseeable future, Labour and the Conservatives will continue to win the vast majority of parliamentary seats.

That's why I believe the best approach is to work within the Labour party to change it. It is not guaranteed to be a success, but it has more chance than all the small splinter groups who have little hope of winning parliamentary seats. And it is the approach of the Labour Representation Committee.

That approach seems quite hopeless in that it helps to perpetuate the system which results in a tri-partite elected dictatorship, the LibLabCon, the self promoted troika which represents rich and powerful lobbyists, and ignores the mass of voters.

A system where the electorate vote for issues, rather than people and their parties is desperately needed.
Switzerland's System of Direct Democracy

[ron]

That approach seems quite hopeless in that it helps to perpetuate the system which results in a tri-partite elected dictatorship, the LibLabCon, the self promoted troika which represents rich and powerful lobbyists, and ignores the mass of voters.

A system where the electorate vote for issues, rather than people and their parties is desperately needed.
Switzerland's System of Direct Democracy

I agree. There is only one reasonable size party that is promoting this...:

Why we need Direct Democracy - UK Independence Party

Greater democracy and freedom to create wealth are good for the working classes. Unfortunately people have convinced them that socialist or communist economics are what they need. I'm not sure how much more evidence people need that these policies are an absolute failure wherever practised, Greece is just the latest in a long line of examples.

[Little_Englander]

I agree. There is only one reasonable size party that is promoting this...:

Why we need Direct Democracy - UK Independence Party

Greater democracy and freedom to create wealth are good for the working classes. Unfortunately people have convinced them that socialist or communist economics are what they need. I'm not sure how much more evidence people need that these policies are an absolute failure wherever practised, Greece is just the latest in a long line of examples.

The essay under the heading, 'Why we need Direct Democracy', is merely a self supplied answer to a self posed question.

A commitment to direct democracy, binding referenda, is absent from their constitution clause 2.3. And in clause 3.2, 'Activities', their 'commitment' to participation in referenda is expressed in the subjunctive, 'may', which not only means may do so, but also means may not do so. Additionally, there is no reference to how any such referenda would be triggered, or by whom.

Constitution of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) - UK Independence Party

[ron]

The essay under the heading, 'Why we need Direct Democracy', is merely a self supplied answer to a self posed question.

A commitment to direct democracy, binding referenda, is absent from their constitution clause 2.3. And in clause 3.2, 'Activities', their 'commitment' to participation in referenda is expressed in the subjunctive, 'may', which not only means may do so, but also means may not do so. Additionally, there is no reference to how any such referenda would be triggered, or by whom.

Constitution of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) - UK Independence Party

True but you have to start somewhere. UKIP are still small and are looking to attract a wider cross section of the community to rid themselves of their poor image. If the English Parliament policy is approved then it proves the party is open to progress since this goes against their previous attitude on the issue. I think introducing direct democracy at a council level is a great first step and UKIP, who currently have no serious local election policies, could be the party to introduce this.