Cameron has done it! He’s used the veto

[CB100]

No he doesn't. Baron has got it spot on. Well done to Cameron.

You are far too easily taken in Baron - you need to wise up!

[rjt]

No he doesn't. Baron has got it spot on. Well done to Cameron.

Certainly the Prime Minister was right in the action he took, however we must remember all his other broken promises on Europe, its a small but only a small step in the right direction.

[Baron von Lotsov]

"Britain's business leaders have overwhelmingly backed David Cameron’s decision to veto a new EU treaty. A poll of members of the Institute of Directors found that 77 per cent support the defiant stand he took at Brussels summit earlier this month. In a further boost for the Prime Minister, business bosses said they want the UK to loosen ties with Brussels." - Daily Mail

So Cameron is riding on a high now. The public support him, business support him, his backbenchers support him and Clegg is sitting it out.

[Rebirth]

So Cameron is riding on a high now. The public support him, business support him, his backbenchers support him and Clegg is sitting it out.

Maybe you have been brainwashed by Tory media? True that it makes a change from looking at a PM on all fours taking it up the backside, but it isn't exactly beneficial to your average joe.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Maybe you have been brainwashed by Tory media? True that it makes a change from looking at a PM on all fours taking it up the backside, but it isn't exactly beneficial to your average joe.

Actually I based that assertion on recent polls that switched the Tories from being a fair bit behind Labour to ones that put them a fair way ahead. That's a pretty important shift that no other Tory policy so far in Cameron's time has done. It's therefore rather odd, don't you think, that the europhiles tell us that the EU is way down the public's list of priorities. Someone has to be lying, as these two things oppose one another. I’d rather go on my own research that tends to show the public are very much against the EU and have been waiting for a long time for a government that stands up to them.

This is what the Cameron government is now doing. We eurosceptics have won the argument. We have a government that is engaged in many ways now. It’s not just the veto, but also fights about being able to deport dangerous immigrants and bailout funds for the euro. I would say that on the balance of probability that Cameron is going to move in the footsteps of Lady Thatcher. It’s a different style alright, but the intention is there at long last. You can’t half fight your enemy though. You either have to be a ‘full player’ in the subjugation the enemy brings you or you fight it off, but in putting up a fight you have to fight to win. I think that is what is happening now. After 13 years of Labour appeasement we are as a country getting tough with the EU and the Europhiles that support it, and what is important is that the Europhiles are losing.

[rjt]

Actually I based that assertion on recent polls that switched the Tories from being a fair bit behind Labour to ones that put them a fair way ahead. That's a pretty important shift that no other Tory policy so far in Cameron's time has done. It's therefore rather odd, don't you think, that the europhiles tell us that the EU is way down the public's list of priorities. Someone has to be lying, as these two things oppose one another. I’d rather go on my own research that tends to show the public are very much against the EU and have been waiting for a long time for a government that stands up to them.

This is what the Cameron government is now doing. We eurosceptics have won the argument. We have a government that is engaged in many ways now. It’s not just the veto, but also fights about being able to deport dangerous immigrants and bailout funds for the euro. I would say that on the balance of probability that Cameron is going to move in the footsteps of Lady Thatcher. It’s a different style alright, but the intention is there at long last. You can’t half fight your enemy though. You either have to be a ‘full player’ in the subjugation the enemy brings you or you fight it off, but in putting up a fight you have to fight to win. I think that is what is happening now. After 13 years of Labour appeasement we are as a country getting tough with the EU and the Europhiles that support it, and what is important is that the Europhiles are losing.

Well if he is going down the Thatcher path you are right it is in a different style, but that is a good thing.

Mrs Thatcher used to give the impression that the EU was full of ill intentioned Foreigners seeking to extingush our democracy.

Mr Cameron is giving the impression that he is batting for British intrests, it is agree/or disagree a skillful bit of political manourvering, and oppsed to him though I am on many issues I have always felt he is a more formidable politician than people give him credit for.

[Rebirth]

This could simply be games to win the next GE by playing to popular demands.

[rjt]

This could simply be games to win the next GE by playing to popular demands.

Certainly could, it is doing him no harm at the moment.

[Little_Englander]

By having impeded the possibility of a new EU treaty, Cameron pursued his policy of avoiding a UK referendum, and in so doing was in full support of his, (hidden) pro EU stance.

It will all come out in the wash, and the Cameron sycophants are going to look pretty foolish in the end, except that they will come up with all sorts of reasons why they are not naive idiots.


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A vote for the tri-partite elected dictatorship, the LibLabCon, the self authorised troika, is a vote for the EU.

[Mr Rob]

By having impeded the possibility of a new EU treaty, Cameron pursued his policy of avoiding a UK referendum, and in so doing was in full support of his, (hidden) pro EU stance.

It will all come out in the wash, and the Cameron sycophants are going to look pretty foolish in the end, except that they will come up with all sorts of reasons why they are not naive idiots.

The Germans have spotted the danger though - hence the outpouring of emollient words from Berlin.

For a brief moment it looked as if the EU might do what no mainstream British politician, Cameron very much included, has the slightest intention of doing.

Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero .........but the day passed..........

We really must try to ensure that those who would have us leave the EU are better positioned the next time the opportunity arises.