Cameron has done it! He’s used the veto

[Baron von Lotsov]

Every time I read the title of this thread it makes me chuckle. "Cameron has done it! He’s used the veto".

Nope, he didn't use any veto and he lied. Then backed off and let the EU go ahead anyway, only because he didn't want to get involved in a UK referendum.

Tory boy, cast iron guarantee, don't make me laugh.

I have to confess there was an element of tongue-in-cheek about that title. Anyhow it was a pretty accurate prediction. The Tory have since shot up in the polls, and this one thing had been more popular than anything Cameron has done to date. Many Tory activists are now saying it is quite clear the way forward Cameron should go. He has been given the green light by the electorate in no uncertain terms. Before this happened there were pollsters that claimed that our relationship with the EU ranked as one of the lowest of political priorities of the electorate. The Europhiles were saying this to Cameron, but it has since been proved to be bogus.

So the pressure to keep the momentum up is very strong indeed. It is not unrealistic to say that this issue could make or break it for Cameron as to whether he ends up on the opposition benches or goes for a run like his role model Lady Thatcher. A successful leader is often one that is seen to be defending the people against some threatening external force. Churchill did it with the Nazis and Thatcher with the Falklands. I'm pretty certain this action has tipped the balance and places us finally on the road to getting out of the clutches of this terrible regime. In a battle you can't just take the middle path. You either surrender or you fight. I don't think Cameron really has a choice in the matter. He either fights and is true to his word or he gets kicked out by his own party or the electorate. His party would rather have him kicked out than be kicked out of power themselves. So I think we can expect more from Dave.

[Steve Morson]

I have to confess there was an element of tongue-in-cheek about that title. Anyhow it was a pretty accurate prediction. The Tory have since shot up in the polls, and this one thing had been more popular than anything Cameron has done to date. Many Tory activists are now saying it is quite clear the way forward Cameron should go. He has been given the green light by the electorate in no uncertain terms. Before this happened there were pollsters that claimed that our relationship with the EU ranked as one of the lowest of political priorities of the electorate. The Europhiles were saying this to Cameron, but it has since been proved to be bogus.

So the pressure to keep the momentum up is very strong indeed. It is not unrealistic to say that this issue could make or break it for Cameron as to whether he ends up on the opposition benches or goes for a run like his role model Lady Thatcher. A successful leader is often one that is seen to be defending the people against some threatening external force. Churchill did it with the Nazis and Thatcher with the Falklands. I'm pretty certain this action has tipped the balance and places us finally on the road to getting out of the clutches of this terrible regime. In a battle you can't just take the middle path. You either surrender or you fight. I don't think Cameron really has a choice in the matter. He either fights and is true to his word or he gets kicked out by his own party or the electorate. His party would rather have him kicked out than be kicked out of power themselves. So I think we can expect more from Dave.

Come off it, Baron, you're fooling no-one! You firmly believed this at the time, and the UKIP sub-forum is full of posts from you banging the drum about how Eurosceptic "Dave" is. Your last sentence sums you up to a tee! One-nation Tory - nothing more or less!

[Baron von Lotsov]

Come off it, Baron, you're fooling no-one! You firmly believed this at the time, and the UKIP sub-forum is full of posts from you banging the drum about how Eurosceptic "Dave" is. Your last sentence sums you up to a tee! One-nation Tory - nothing more or less!

No I don't think he is particularly Eurosceptic. It could be argued that he might just be mildly Eurosceptic, but he is a politician, and like a salesman who sells what is popular, a politician will sell what is popular as well.

One thing that I will say about the Tories in their defence though is they are into party politics as opposed to leadership politics. Tony Blair was the opposite and he ran the show. Nigel Farage is also the opposite and he also runs the UKIP show. In fact if you look around the world you will see that leadership politics is common in virtually every Marxist regime. They have one leader and all the lights shine on them. All other members of the so-called party are just support staff and none have any power at all. The Tories are right wing. Traditionally they had a large party membership of three million people and those members had a say in the running of the party. Now it is down to 190 000. Still though, old habits die-hard and the Tories delegate power to the different departments. If it is a Home Office matter then Theresa May deals with it, and only if the minister screws up badly does the prime minister intervene and can boot them out.

So Cameron does not have anything like the amount of power that Blair and Brown had. That is why it is wrong to attribute everything to one man. The wheels are turning in the Tory Party and Euroscepticism is the norm. Perhaps you should take a peek on Con Home. There are many Tory councillors that post on it, and you would be hard-pressed to find a Europhile amongst them. They will in time end up like Arthur Scargill. He’s still in politics I hear, but his audience amounts to less than his local pub crowd.