Today dear child today!!!!Originally Posted by chimera
Not 50 years ago!!!!
Guantanamo bay in no way violates the constitution.
The constitution is for residents of the USA.
Guantanimo is not on US soil, it is in Cuba.
Constitutional rights only extend to us residents and citizens within the USA.
Simple really!!
"Clearly the USA is NOT a Christian country, rather a shining beacon if religious tolerance to the entire world!"
For 200 years it refused religious, social and political rights to Amerindians and Afros. Way behind most of Europe.
Alaska is not on US soil. it is in Canada as part of Russia.
Cuban soldiers in Guantanamo fly the US flag and torture people for fun as the US can't send funds to Cuba to pay them.
Paul, You are :
Simple really!!
We are talking about now, not 200 years ago.
200 years ago forward thinking Europeans were invading most of Africa and Asia denying all rights to the indigenous populations.
Gitmo is not on us soil, those in gitmo are illegal combattents who under the accepted ROAC can be shot out of hand not taken prisoner.
By capturing them the USA are offering them far more rights than they would offer a us civilian they captured.
But I can remain on subject and not spiral into a torrent of vitriolic abuse and personal attack.
Quote 007:
"those in gitmo are illegal combattents who under the accepted ROAC can be shot out of hand not taken prisoner."
Erm, no:
Since October 7, 2001, when the current war in Afghanistan began, 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo. Of these, most have been released without charge or transferred to facilities in their home countries.
In English , "for 200" years means a period up to this generation, from the 1776 date of the Constitution (which you discuss as being effective now). Vietnam which you also discuss is in that generation, like Grenada.
The US had landmines, and now CCTV around Guantanamo to keep Cubans out from US perpetual leasehold territory. On your argument, western USA is not US soil as it was bought from Mexico in 1823, like Russia selling it Alaska.
Who accepts ROAC? It is illegal in most European minds. Where are the Muslim government camps to torture foreign or US citizens?
It seems that US self-deluding vanity boasts about democracy so loud to cover its undemocratic illegalities and blatant false arguments.
The information gleaned from the illegal combatants, who could have been subject to summary execution on the battlefield according to international law( us troops follow a stricter ROAC, as do British) has saved innocent lives.
US Democracy is for the USA. Not for forign threats.
Gitmo is a US base in Cuba.
States are states.
Those captured in a war zone, raising arms against lawful troops( those in uniform, with a clear command structure and representing a specific nation or cause) who are illegal combattents may, under international law be shot, even while trying to surrender.
The compassionate USA has set a different standard for it's troops.
You have a problem with letting people live?
Juridica_ R Vark:
"It is the general principle of the four Geneva Conventions (1949)*2 and their two Additional Protocols (1977)*3 that every person in enemy hands must have some status under international law — that of either a prisoner of war or a civilian. There is no intermediate status: nobody in enemy hands can be outside the law."
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Your mindless statements are 60 years out of date.
Are you saying that the US is under Cuba law? Is Ulster under Eire, Gibraltar under Spain and was Hong Kong a Chinese take-away?
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