New poll shows independence argument is winning the day

[Hartlepool]

My comment stands.

Being so rude and obtuse does nothing for you. You should try to fit in for once, if you can force yourself to.

[shagpile]

shagpile, would you like to address the points and question I asked in the above quoted post?

Regardless what the question is, ie. how it is phrased (even if you have to X the No box, which is ultimately what the unionists want), it will make no difference. This issue has been alive for over half a century; and that's only in recent terms.

Your last re: Border Control......

The Scots will NOT sign up to Schengen, as that will result in a border control. We will pander to your parinoia. (IMHO).

Yet you might want to ponder the reality of what...... well...... some of your lcd-mentality might rhetorically wish for..... all I would say is you will reap what you sow. It won't happen though. Don't get confused with Westminster scaremongering (and YOU better not believe it yourselves, btw) and what the reality of the reality will be.

[Rebirth]

Regardless what the question is, ie. how it is phrased (even if you have to X the No box, which is ultimately what the unionists want).

If that was the case, then why is everyone who isn't Scottish on this forum fully supporting your referendum for independent EU region? Is it possible that the chip on your shoulder is effecting one's ability to get with the times?

[Road_Hog]

The Scots will NOT sign up to Schengen, as that will result in a border control. We will pander to your parinoia. (IMHO).

You will be forced to sign up to Schengen and the Euro.

Border controls and the ECB as your central bank will be the result. Followed by financial institutions piling out of Edinburgh. I can't wait. Meanwhile, sales of Buckie and deep fried Mars Bars are set to accelerate, those sort of products always do well when a country/economy goes into terminal decline.

[Northumbrian]

You will be forced to sign up to Schengen and the Euro.

Border controls and the ECB as your central bank will be the result. Followed by financial institutions piling out of Edinburgh. I can't wait. Meanwhile, sales of Buckie and deep fried Mars Bars are set to accelerate, those sort of products always do when a country/economy goes into terminal decline.

So there would be border controls between England and Scotland, but not between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic? That makes no sense.

[Road_Hog]

So there would be border controls between England and Scotland, but not between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic? That makes no sense.

Let me explain it to you. If you are a former member of the EU (and a powerful net contributor to the budget, like the UK, you get a bit of leeway).

Any country that now joins the EU, has to agree to join the Euro. From memory, there are only two countries that are no Euro members that are part of the EU. The UK & Sweden. Sweden has to join as soon as it meets the economic conditions, but strangely, it has not rushed to meet these conditions. The UK is the only country that is not bound over to join the Eurozone that is part of the EU.

The Schengen agreement has the same rule. Scotland will have to renegotiate with the EU to join a a separate 'new' country. Most likely it will be forced into agreeing to both of these, but will be financially rewarded (much like Ireland was) for being compliant.

The difference with Ireland is that they're not part of the Schengen agreement, if for nothing else, they would have been isolated, as their borders are with the UK and they would not be allowed the free travel that they currently get as a privilege from being previously part of the UK.

So, Ireland is not part of Schengen, but Scotland would be, hence the difference. If Ireland doesn't institute border control against Scotland, then they will also have to be subject to British & NI border controls.

[Northumbrian]

The difference with Ireland is that they're not part of the Schengen agreement, if for nothing else, they would have been isolated, as their borders are with the UK and they would not be allowed the free travel that they currently get as a privilege from being previously part of the UK.

So, Ireland is not part of Schengen, but Scotland would be, hence the difference. If Ireland doesn't institute border control against Scotland, then they will also have to be subject to British & NI border controls.

That's largely irrelevant. We've had arrangements with Ireland for things like that long before the EU. It's based on the premise people living in the British Isles have common interests.

[morayloon]

The UK is the only country that is not bound over to join the Eurozone that is part of the EU

The SNP argues that Scotland has every right to be classed as a successor state as the rUK. Scotland would thus inherit the UKs Euro opt out.

Scotland will have to renegotiate with the EU to join a a separate 'new' country

As a successor state Scotland will carry on as a member. Anyway, as there is no mechanism for expulsion, Scotland, a member as part of the UK, can't be thrown out

[shagpile]

If that was the case, then why is everyone who isn't Scottish on this forum fully supporting your referendum for independent EU region?

Perhaps you should be designated "afterbirth"?

I'm not going to react to ..... whatever, whitchever, patheticwhatever you might wish to declare yourself as delinquentever or even Englishforever.

Is it possible that the chip on your shoulder is effecting one's ability to get with the times?

RELAX....... You are not that important.

[Rebirth]

Perhaps you should be designated "afterbirth"?

I'm not going to react to ..... whatever, whitchever, patheticwhatever you might wish to declare yourself as delinquentever or even Englishforever.

Sorry, I don't speak Scottish.

RELAX....... You are not that important.

Well, I know I'm not personally, but if you are referring to England then I can only imagine this is part of your therapy to get over your fear of English.