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    Based on the largest, officially endorsed page/group of each UK party on facebook, the United People’s Party ranks as one of largest.

    As of the 1st October 2011, the UPP ranks as the 11th largest UK Party on facebook.

    The level of support each party has on facebook is very rarely reflective of its true popularity in the real world of politics but this news nevertheless shows a high level of interest in this young party.
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    Is it true that.

    You instaled yourself as 'Leader-for-life'?

    You can't be removed by the membership?

    Nothing can become policy unless YOU agree with it, regardless of how many members support it?

    All appointments of party officers are made by you alone?

    Doesn't sound very democratic!

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    Being the first and, for a time, only member of the United People’s Party, it was neither difficult nor unreasonable to install myself as Leader of the party.

    The position of Leader of the United People’s Party is a particularly strong position when compared to most parties. As time has gone on, however, some of the responsibilities and roles of the Party Leader have been passed on to other Officers who are far more qualified for the role, such as the designing of our election material.

    There are absolutely no internal elections within the United People’s Party. We use a system whereby Party Officers on all levels are appointed to their position by the Party Leader or, where proper authorisation has been given, are appointed by an existing Officer. This isused mainly for the party’s Regional Administrations, where Regional Organisers are able to appoint their own Deputies. The primary reason for this is that they are likely to appoint a Deputy that they will know personally and will make communication and the organising of party activities in the area run far more smoothly.

    All party members can and do take part in frequent party referendums where things such as policy and the general direction of the party can be discussed and voted on.

    The Party Leader can prevent any proposed party policy from being enacted, yes. This is a fail-safe devise to ensure that this system of formulating policy cannot be abused and see policies enacted that may stand in contrast to our ideals and values.

    All of which is no great secret as it’s how we have operated for 2 years (to the day as it happens) and is by far the most practical way of running a party, especially smaller ones.

    The party has never undergone any internal squabbling or splits as a result of this system of governing the party. We have remained a firmly united and coherent movement and see no reason or need to alter how we operate.
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    Thank you for the honesty! So there is NO democracy because if you don't like an idea it does not become policy and if you don't like a person they don't get appointed!

    ""The party has never undergone any internal squabbling or splits as a result of this system of governing the party.""
    Placemen tend not to because they know they have no power to change anything, also their position is in the gift of the Leader!

    Enver Hoxa's Albania comes to mind!
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    In blunt terms, that is correct.

    I did not put 2 years of time, energy and money to see the United People’s Party promote policy which is contrary to its core aims. This is not unreasonable.

    If One England saw an influx of members that demanded the party no longer promoted the creation of an English Parliament, a core party aim, would you be happy to allow that to happen or would you want a fail-safe device, as we do, to prevent such policies from being enacted?

    That is on the assumption, however, that One England actually allows their members to vote on such issues.

    It should be noted that, to this date, I have never prevented any party policy from being adopted that has had the approval of the party membership.

    Why would Party Officers want to “change” anything? The role of Party Officers is to promote the party on a local, regional and national level, not to change the party. The very fact that no internal splits have occurred in the party because of the way in which we operate is evidence enough to suggest it is a system that works.

    This does not mean the ordinary member is denied a voice or is denied their opinion, however, and most of the party membership are free to email or call my via my personal email address and mobile number should they want to discuss something with me further or if they have any concerns that they want addressed.

    The interests of this movement are my concern - I take full responsibility for the party.

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    Could you give us the statistics, so we can see your relative size to other groups?

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    Certainly.

    The below list was put together on another facebook page and is accurate as of the 1st October (and is updated on the 1st of every month). It should be noted that, as other parties are found on facebook, the list will obviously become longer but, to the best of my knowledge, there is no undiscovered party that would affect our own position on the list (though if you do know any, please do name them).

    1. Conservative Party - 148,929
    2. Labour Party - 111,881
    3. Liberal Democrats - 95,857
    4. British National Party - 77,966
    5. Monster Raving Loony Party - 15,071
    6. Scottish National Party - 14,796
    7. Green Party - 14,726
    8. Plaid Cymru - 6213
    9. English Democrats - 6064
    10. Pirate Party (UK) - 5182
    11. United People’s Party - 4446
    12. UK Independence Party - 3713
    13. Socialist Workers Party - 3381
    14. Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition - 2899
    15. Animals Count - 2714
    16. Socialist Party - 1653
    17. British Freedom Party - 1435
    18. Christian Party - 1425
    19. Alliance Party of Northern Ireland - 1319
    20. Communist Party of Britain - 1311
    21. Democratic Unionist Party - 1290
    22. Libertarian Party UK - 1265
    23. Ulster Unionist Party - 1188
    24. English People’s Party - 1025
    25. Mebyon Kernow - 796
    26. Jury Team - 717
    27. Social Democratic and Labour Party - 566
    28. Traditional Unionist Voice - 505
    29. For England Party - 427
    30. Democratic Reform Party - 271
    31. One England - 216

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    Bigger than UKIP. Well well.
    How does this translate into real life membership/activism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Stott View Post
    Being the first and, for a time, only member of the United People’s Party, it was neither difficult nor unreasonable to install myself as Leader of the party.

    The position of Leader of the United People’s Party is a particularly strong position when compared to most parties. As time has gone on, however, some of the responsibilities and roles of the Party Leader have been passed on to other Officers who are far more qualified for the role, such as the designing of our election material.

    There are absolutely no internal elections within the United People’s Party. We use a system whereby Party Officers on all levels are appointed to their position by the Party Leader or, where proper authorisation has been given, are appointed by an existing Officer. This isused mainly for the party’s Regional Administrations, where Regional Organisers are able to appoint their own Deputies. The primary reason for this is that they are likely to appoint a Deputy that they will know personally and will make communication and the organising of party activities in the area run far more smoothly.

    All party members can and do take part in frequent party referendums where things such as policy and the general direction of the party can be discussed and voted on.

    The Party Leader can prevent any proposed party policy from being enacted, yes. This is a fail-safe devise to ensure that this system of formulating policy cannot be abused and see policies enacted that may stand in contrast to our ideals and values.

    All of which is no great secret as it’s how we have operated for 2 years (to the day as it happens) and is by far the most practical way of running a party, especially smaller ones.

    The party has never undergone any internal squabbling or splits as a result of this system of governing the party. We have remained a firmly united and coherent movement and see no reason or need to alter how we operate.
    ''Being the first and, for a time, only member of the United People’s Party, it was neither difficult nor unreasonable to install myself as Leader of the party''

    Are you for real? I can't believe what I've just read pmsl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Dem View Post
    ''Being the first and, for a time, only member of the United People’s Party, it was neither difficult nor unreasonable to install myself as Leader of the party''

    Are you for real? I can't believe what I've just read pmsl.
    What's so funny about that? It's a pretty reasonable decision. That said, the apparent dictatorial attitude here isn't really reflected in the normality, the apparent mundaneity of this group.

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