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i couldn't agree more as regards many of the posts here in this thread being a haven of peace of serenity, Jackie is to be commended for her efforts

branded, like you would brand cattle, says it all about these men and their racist attitudes and deviant sexual lusts

You think these men wont be treated more mercifully in this country then they would be in America, or say in a muslim state.

Well I don't know what penalty he will face for this but it will be considerably more I am sure that the vile Muslim perverts who were convicted yesterday, are you not thankful you live in such a...

Fair point and one that illustrates the racial nature of this crime, these girls were fair game to them because they are white.

I don't think any Judge would dare say it but when sentence is passed I wish he would make two points.

1) These are racially motivated offences, therefore the sentences will be longer to reflect...

Opinion polls should always be treated with caution, but UKIPS recent results are increasing the pressure on the government and that has to be welcome

Indeed what consenting adults do sexually behind closed doors is a matter for them, sodomising a child indeed means they are paedophiles

Oh that makes all the difference

Well at the moment UKIP results are leading to increased pressure for a referendum sooner rather than later, more heavyweight figures are saying we should leave, and it is clear the Tories cannot win...

Denis Healy too I understand has suggested we are better off, that's three men who have run the nations finances and another senior former cabinet figure and Tory leadership contender, the more that...

I agree that there is a certain element of mankind who see females as meat, you are right to point that out and I congratulate you for having the courage to say it.

Perhaps now you would join with...

And quite rightly so, she has no electoral mandate she can advice, listen and if need be warn the government but she must always adhere to the fact that they command the House of Commons

The function of the Queen at the State Opening of parliament is to read the speech prepared by the government in a neutral tone.

Time will tell on that one, at the moment he has not as I say been charged with anything.

You outline some alternative scenarios, but that is all they are alternative scenarios

Indeed, in my mind there is no real difference.

Quite correct, the local elections were good but UKIP have to reproduce in a GE when voters are chosing who governs them before they have chance under any electoral system.

Ok next general election is fought on that kind of PR, and UKIP do as well as they did in 2009, scenarios to get a government commanding a majority.

Lab/Lib/SNP/PC/Green Alliance.

Con/Lab/Lib...

Well yes Stuart Hall has changed his story, at this stage the Deputy Speaker is saying he is innoncent, he has not been charged with any offence, he has been questioned over allegations, unless/until...

He has denied the allegations and has not yet been charged with any offence, for me until we discover anything otherwise is end of story.

There is actualy no change in my book, but with respect you had the chance in a referendum campaign to put these arugments and they were defeated.

Or a permant Centre Left Government which is more likely but like you I am speculating one cannot assess the outcome with any certainity.

Given the state of the current government, or the problems in Italy for instance, I would say a lot is wrong with them.

You wouldn't get that with Av either even if you got some UKIP mps, you would have centre left after centre left coalition.

You don't have to debate with me, the debate took place on this issue...