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UKIP 28 51.85%
Labour 0 0%
Liberal Democract 0 0%
Conservative Party 0 0%
Bnp 6 11.11%
Liberal Party 2 3.70%
English Democrats 3 5.56%
UKpopdems 0 0%
Free england party 3 5.56%
other 12 22.22%
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Old 05-04-2008, 01:36 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I was quite active in the Conservative party but became sick of the Liberals and Libertarians which have taken over the organisation.
UKIP to me seems to have the same problems with both Liberals and Libertarians so they arnt an option for me either.
You are using libertarian in the American way, right? I consider myself both a decentralist and libertarian but that doesn't mean I have a hard-on for Milton Friedman or Ayn Rand although I don't mind them. I don't think we need to copy the US on this usage.
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You are using libertarian in the American way, right? I consider myself both a decentralist and libertarian but that doesn't mean I have a hard-on for Milton Friedman or Ayn Rand although I don't mind them. I don't think we need to copy the US on this usage.
I would suggest that all libertarians must believe in negative liberty, but many don't seem to understand that.
Ayn Rand would tear you to shreds for comparing her to a libertarian.
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I would suggest that all libertarians must believe in negative liberty, but many don't seem to understand that.
Ayn Rand would tear you to shreds for comparing her to a libertarian.
Ayn Rand did not understand that liberty can only be guaranteed by the nation state and its people.
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Ayn Rand did not understand that liberty can only be guaranteed by the nation state and its people.
Liberty is guaranteed by oneself.
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Ayn Rand would tear you to shreds for comparing her to a libertarian.
Negative liberty is far too simplistic a concept however.
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Liberty is guaranteed by oneself.
But in the end liberty is a social thing and a mass of isolated individuals is not going to do much to defend liberty. This has always been both the Conservative and Radical pluralist take on liberty and it strikes home hard against the methodological individualism of much classical liberal ideology.
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Have you actually read her relevant works? Of course she understood that. She said the state and the legal system should protect individual rights as its first priority.
She wasn't an anarchist!
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