should england and scotland go there own ways?

mr.growbag · 08-12-2007, 09:15 PM

The Union is in terminal decline. We cannot reverse the devolution process, or I can seriously see troubles on the scale of Ulster. At the same time the Scots will not accept fairer funding for England, and feelings in England are getting increasingly bitter towards subsidising Scotland.
The only answer is English independence and the creation of a Council of the Isles.

Westcountryman · 08-12-2007, 09:23 PM

Even IF (and that's a big IF) Scotland left the Union, I don't see why England and Wales (and even NI) can't continue as one entity.

If England went independent, you'd have the Cornish jumping up and down demanding their own independence/self rule. Where would it end?

For_England · 08-12-2007, 10:53 PM

yes - let them keep their Labour party, their pc rubbish, their multiculturalism, their whining, and let us go our separate ways and be the nation we have been for 1500 years, instead of the divided monstrosity we have become, in which minorities inside our country, and Scots outside, vote against our interests in order to line their own pockets and pursue their own ethnic interests at our expense. No, the union was a failure, it's time we stood up and tried to be English for a change, and eject this silly idea that an idea ('union') is thicker than blood. In other words, I hope the Scots go their way and start looking to their own selves, instead of blaming us for all their woes. It's all or nothing for me - give us back Ireland, and I might be persuaded to care about the Union again - but leave me with just the ungrateful Scots - no thanks (apologies to the many good Scots - I'm talking in generalities, and I am disgusted and angy at your countrymen and their constant disrespect and ingratitude and self-righteous finger-pointing about how wonderful multiculturalism is, towards me and my kith and kin).

For_England · 08-12-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Even IF (and that's a big IF) Scotland left the Union, I don't see why England and Wales (and even NI) can't continue as one entity.

If England went independent, you'd have the Cornish jumping up and down demanding their own independence/self rule. Where would it end?

if that's what they want ...
I believe in national self-determination, based on Wilson's Fourteen Points. What's wrong with the Cornish or Basques or Kurds or anyone else having national self-determination if they want it?

Britannist · 09-12-2007, 01:34 PM

"English back UK but do not think it will last & want Scot voting to end" - new poll

View Poll Results: should england and scotland go there own ways??
yes	7	31.82%
no	15	68.18%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

08-12-2007, 09:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,824 Party: None	Even IF (and that's a big IF) Scotland left the Union, I don't see why England and Wales (and even NI) can't continue as one entity. If England went independent, you'd have the Cornish jumping up and down demanding their own independence/self rule. Where would it end? __________________ the cake is a lie. the cake is a lie. the cake is a lie. the cake is a lie.

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Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	ICM opinion poll for Sunday Telegraph finds English support UK but not Scot voting "English back UK but do not think it will last & want Scot voting to end" - new poll

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08-12-2007, 09:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
mr.growbag Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Glorious Devon Posts: 48	The Union is in terminal decline. We cannot reverse the devolution process, or I can seriously see troubles on the scale of Ulster. At the same time the Scots will not accept fairer funding for England, and feelings in England are getting increasingly bitter towards subsidising Scotland. The only answer is English independence and the creation of a Council of the Isles.

08-12-2007, 10:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
For_England Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,664	yes - let them keep their Labour party, their pc rubbish, their multiculturalism, their whining, and let us go our separate ways and be the nation we have been for 1500 years, instead of the divided monstrosity we have become, in which minorities inside our country, and Scots outside, vote against our interests in order to line their own pockets and pursue their own ethnic interests at our expense. No, the union was a failure, it's time we stood up and tried to be English for a change, and eject this silly idea that an idea ('union') is thicker than blood. In other words, I hope the Scots go their way and start looking to their own selves, instead of blaming us for all their woes. It's all or nothing for me - give us back Ireland, and I might be persuaded to care about the Union again - but leave me with just the ungrateful Scots - no thanks (apologies to the many good Scots - I'm talking in generalities, and I am disgusted and angy at your countrymen and their constant disrespect and ingratitude and self-righteous finger-pointing about how wonderful multiculturalism is, towards me and my kith and kin).