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Old 27-01-2007, 11:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Take a look at whats happening in South Africa.
Civilisation to Barbarism to see before the world.
Right. Apartheid was so 'civilised' and totally not a horrid example.

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Its happened in every African country since de-colonisation.
Requesting verification of this. I'd also like to see why that's relevant.
I didnt agree with Aparteid im against multiracial societys.

On the second point read the post-war history of any African country.
Or even better visit Africa.
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Old 27-01-2007, 11:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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A non corrupt government, a fair economy and a sense of patriotism would do a world of good.
Exactly. Perhaps if they spent money on investing in infrastructure etc instead of on AK47s, they might be in a better position.
I think the two things go together. If they can get their economies rolling, there won't be so many folk with guns, grievances and too much spare time.
Hear, Hear!
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Old 27-01-2007, 11:53 AM   #23 (permalink)
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A non corrupt government, a fair economy and a sense of patriotism would do a world of good.
Exactly. Perhaps if they spent money on investing in infrastructure etc instead of on AK47s, they might be in a better position.
I think the two things go together. If they can get their economies rolling, there won't be so many folk with guns, grievances and too much spare time.
Hear, Hear!
We are not talking about Europe here.
This is Africa.
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Old 27-01-2007, 12:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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A non corrupt government, a fair economy and a sense of patriotism would do a world of good.
Exactly. Perhaps if they spent money on investing in infrastructure etc instead of on AK47s, they might be in a better position.
I think the two things go together. If they can get their economies rolling, there won't be so many folk with guns, grievances and too much spare time.
Hear, Hear!
We are not talking about Europe here.
This is Africa.
A locational difference.
Both contain people of varying intellects.
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Old 27-01-2007, 12:30 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Take a look at whats happening in South Africa.
Civilisation to Barbarism to see before the world.
Right. Apartheid was so 'civilised' and totally not a horrid example.

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Its happened in every African country since de-colonisation.
Requesting verification of this. I'd also like to see why that's relevant.
I didnt agree with Aparteid
I'm pleased to hear that. Neither did I.

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im against multiracial societys.
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On the second point read the post-war history of any African country.
Been there, done that.
Now, are you going to offer actual support for your statements?
Or at least start pointing to events with some potential narrative?

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Or even better visit Africa.
That really isn't necessary.
But by this may I assume that you have visited Africa, and can remark on your visit?
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Old 28-01-2007, 08:01 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Here's one reason why condoms are not a lot of use in Africa. This is from a BBC News report in February 2004:

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Africa sees rise in 'sex terror'
By Ania Lichtarowicz
BBC health correspondent, Johannesburg

HIV/Aids is being used as a weapon to control partners

More and more people across Africa are becoming victims of sexual terrorism, according to work presented at a high-profile sexual health conference.

The use of sex to control people is most often seen during conflicts.

But delegates at the first African Congress on Sexual Health and Rights heard that a new pattern is emerging.

Increasing numbers of people infected with HIV are deliberately passing the virus on to their partners on purpose, in order to make them more dependent.

[HIV/Aids is a very violent, vicious, angry means of controlling the individual - the issue is 'how can I keep this individual for me, and I'm willing to do it at any means' - Eugene Hughley, Sexual terrorism specialist]

In countries ravaged by conflict - for example Rwanda - sex has been used very effectively to terrorise and control.

Rape has always been used as a violent yet effective weapon of war.

It is physically and mentally scarring, not only for the victim but also for their families.

The power of sex

Yet war is not the only place where sexual terrorism can be found.

In societies where people have little control over their lives - like those living in poverty or where there are high levels of unemployment - sex becomes one of the few areas where individuals still have power.

"In our African custom, a man is always a head of the family, and what the man says it stays, no matter what," Bruce Errol, a resident of a South African township, told the BBC.

Some men force their women to have unprotected sex - those women sometimes tend to take revenge on other men

[Picture: Bruce Errol, Township resident]

What is being seen more and more often is people deliberately infecting their partners with HIV - therefore making them less attractive to others and more dependent on them.

"I think HIV/Aids is used as a weapon to influence partners... in terms of their behaviour," says Eugene Hughley, a specialist on sexual terrorism.

"It is a very violent, vicious, angry means of controlling the individual... The issue is 'how can I keep this individual for me, and I'm willing to do it at any means'."

But women can also use sex as a weapon.

If they have been infected by someone they can take revenge on another man and infect them, and that is also being seen.

"Some men force their women to have unprotected sex," says Bruce Errol. "Those women sometimes, when they find out they're positive, they tend to take revenge on other men."

Psychologists at the conference accept that only considerable effort over many years will curb sexual terrorism, but they strongly believe that presently the best approach is to help those affected by it.

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A non corrupt government, a fair economy and a sense of patriotism would do a world of good.
Exactly. Perhaps if they spent money on investing in infrastructure etc instead of on AK47s, they might be in a better position.
I think the two things go together. If they can get their economies rolling, there won't be so many folk with guns, grievances and too much spare time.
Hear, Hear!
We are not talking about Europe here.
This is Africa.
A locational difference.
Both contain people of varying intellects.
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Old 29-01-2007, 02:34 AM   #28 (permalink)
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This-England and I agree on something.
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they would help but whos going to pay for it . i should think sex education would be better if only there were more schools
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Old 01-12-2007, 02:02 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Nothing can save Africa. The west has poured billions into Africa ever since the Ethiopian famine of 1984, and I'm sure before that, and it hasn't made the slightest difference. We have to face the fact that Africa is not like the west and never will be.

The only people in Africa that we can help are the British African ex-colonists, like the former Rhodesians who are today facing many hardships. I believe they need their own homeland/state. I believe Britain should be at the forefront of supporting their needs.

There is another forum called the Dominion of Rhodesia which explains all about it. Here's the link:

http://dominionofrhod.freeforums.org...ionofrhod.html

Read all about it and add your comments.
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