What Political Ideology Are You?

Westcountryman · 12-12-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tito

If there is such a demand for such things (and I think there is an enormous one) the free market will regulate.

Just like the AA and RAC rate hotels.

Nothing to stop traders not joining voluntary bodies (e.g. the ASA), nor is there anything to stop them lying to consumers without some sort of regulatory department.

tito · 12-12-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Nothing to stop traders not joining voluntary bodies (e.g. the ASA), nor is there anything to stop them lying to consumers without some sort of regulatory department.

Of course, and that's just the way I want it.

The market would have to smarten up. If you can't tell a bad joint of beef from a good one, or you don't think seeing the badges of regulatory organisations are important on someone you are buying meat from, then you are a fool who will soon learn an unpleasant lesson.

Smidgey · 12-12-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Nothing to stop traders not joining voluntary bodies (e.g. the ASA), nor is there anything to stop them lying to consumers without some sort of regulatory department.

Lying and trading products to consumers is fraud. Fraudulent practices violate another's rights. People who use fraud for their own personal gain whilst harming others in the process should be punished. There is your incentive.

We should punish people or groups for the acts they commit, not for the acts they might commit.

Westcountryman · 12-12-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tito

Of course, and that's just the way I want it.

The market would have to smarten up. If you can't tell a bad joint of beef from a good one, or you don't think seeing the badges of regulatory organisations are important on someone you are buying meat from, then you are a fool who will soon learn an unpleasant lesson.

Nothing to stop people using 'kitemarks' without permission.

Westcountryman · 12-12-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

Lying and trading products to consumers is fraud. Fraudulent practices violate another's rights. People who use fraud for their own personal gain whilst harming others in the process should be punished. There is your incentive.

Sure, but a voluntary body stops this how?

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We should punish people or groups for the acts they commit, not for the acts they might commit.

Please tell me how a regulatory department - such as Trading Standards - punish people who haven't committed crimes.

Smidgey · 12-12-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Sure, but a voluntary body stops this how?

The government has the ability to rectify when rights have been violated. It's called the justice system. I don't expect voluntary bodies to prosecute crimes done against me.

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Please tell me how a regulatory department - such as Trading Standards - punish people who haven't committed crimes.

A good example is my friend who is currently trying to become an electrician. The amount of time he has wasted going through the most mind numbing compulsory government health and safety programmes is unbelievable. This is a punishment for wanting to become an electrician.

If he electrocutes someone else, he should be punished by the judiciary - if he hurts himself, that is his own risk and his own choice not to seek the proper health and safety training.

Westcountryman · 14-12-2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

The government has the ability to rectify when rights have been violated. It's called the justice system. I don't expect voluntary bodies to prosecute crimes done against me.

A good example is my friend who is currently trying to become an electrician. The amount of time he has wasted going through the most mind numbing compulsory government health and safety programmes is unbelievable. This is a punishment for wanting to become an electrician.

If he electrocutes someone else, he should be punished by the judiciary - if he hurts himself, that is his own risk and his own choice not to seek the proper health and safety training.

Ever heard of the adage 'prevention is better than cure'? It's a good thing to have to be properly qualified to perform certain jobs in my opinion.

Smidgey · 14-12-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Ever heard of the adage 'prevention is better than cure'? It's a good thing to have to be properly qualified to perform certain jobs in my opinion.

You don't think that violating another's rights and the consequential baggage that brings is an incentive to prevention?

A66 · 14-12-2007, 10:05 PM

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Olympic Flame · 09-02-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Mkp hit it on the head, economically liberal, socially conservative/authoritarian. Which is what I am.

Quite around the same here but Im more of a economically centrist, with socially conservative, authoritarian socialist/colletivist thinking.

But, social conservatism seems incomplete since it matters with the specific issue which could worth a revolutionary or reactionary response from me.

Puting up one's personal political opinions in a nutshell seems to be the hardest thing so far.

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