What Political Ideology Are You? - Page 2

Alex McKee · 15-12-2006, 09:24 AM

And yet you were moaning about the moderators yesterday, HP?

Hartlepool · 15-12-2006, 10:30 AM

Yes I know,obviously a waste of time these days eh?

mkpdavies · 15-12-2006, 10:37 AM

Forums have trolls, end of story.

This poll isn't that bad.

Libertarian Nationalist.

Populist Lee · 15-12-2006, 11:29 AM

I say ******** to the Nineteenth and Twentieth Century ways of looking at the World.

The question should be "Localist" or "Globalist"?
That's where the political - and real - battles of the Twenty-First Century are going to be fought.

harryaldridge · 15-12-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

I say b******s to the Nineteenth and Twentieth Century ways of looking at the World.

The question should be "Localist" or "Globalist"?
That's where the political - and real - battles of the Twenty-First Century are going to be fought.

I am not sure what you mean.

You can be localist, i.e. concerned with local issues and wanting to see local changes, and still have a globalist outlook, i.e. believe in international trade, taking a full role on the international stage etc.

I would say that UKIp falls into this position. The EU and its politicians are blinkered. They are inward looking and want to put up trade barriers. UKIP want to leave the EU and roll back the state in Britain (localist) but look out beyond the EU to the wider world with trade and cooperation (globalist)

Perhaps you could define localist and globalist a bit more

Unionist · 15-12-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by harryaldridge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Populist Lee

I say b******s to the Nineteenth and Twentieth Century ways of looking at the World.

The question should be "Localist" or "Globalist"?
That's where the political - and real - battles of the Twenty-First Century are going to be fought.

I am not sure what you mean.

You can be localist, i.e. concerned with local issues and wanting to see local changes, and still have a globalist outlook, i.e. believe in international trade, taking a full role on the international stage etc.

I would say that UKIp falls into this position. The EU and its politicians are blinkered. They are inward looking and want to put up trade barriers. UKIP want to leave the EU and roll back the state in Britain (localist) but look out beyond the EU to the wider world with trade and cooperation (globalist)

Perhaps you could define localist and globalist a bit more

I also think there is a big difference between internationalism (free trade, free competition and co-operation between states) and supranationalism (control through transnational bureaucracies such as EU, ICC, UN). The problem with the term globalism is that it confuses the two.

Populist Lee · 15-12-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Unionist

I also think there is a big difference between internationalism (free trade, free competition and co-operation between states) and supranationalism (control through transnational bureaucracies such as EU, ICC, UN). The problem with the term globalism is that it confuses the two.

I think that is deliberate.

However, if you are "localist", you have to accept *Protection* in the economy.
If you support global Free Trade, how do you prevent local producers from getting stuffed by international(ist) market forces?

This is UKIP's *worldview* paradox.

As for co-operation between states; there's nothing to beat bi-lateral arrangements and Treaties.

Unionist · 15-12-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

However, if you are "localist", you have to accept *Protection* in the economy.
If you support global Free Trade, how do you prevent local producers from getting stuffed by international(ist) market forces?

On your definition I would definitely not be localist as I oppose protection and support the free market nationally and internationally. I am not sure that is what Harry meant by localism in his comments though.

I consider the EU to be a protectionist and interventionist zone that has more similarities to an 'enlarged' nationalism than to any internationalist principles. After all, the EU is a state in the making.

So for the main question I support Classical Liberal/Libertarian principles. On the localist/globalist question I would hesitate to say globalist since I associate that with transnational bureaucracies but certainly I would support the traditional internationalism founded upon free nation states.

SponPlague · 15-12-2006, 02:12 PM

Other, please state - UKIP/ Monster Raving Looney

Eurosceptic Atlanticist · 15-12-2006, 03:38 PM

Thatcherite Conservative.

View Poll Results: What Political Ideology Are You?
Conservative	16	22.86%
Classical Liberal/Libertarian	18	25.71%
Socialist	2	2.86%
Social Liberal	1	1.43%
Nationalist	20	28.57%
Other Please State	13	18.57%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

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Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Poole in Dorset Posts: 1,471 Party: Other	I say ****** to the Nineteenth and Twentieth Century ways of looking at the World. The question should be "Localist" or "Globalist"? That's where the political - and real** - battles of the Twenty-First Century are going to be fought.

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