Is 8.1% a good result for UKIP in Bromley?

Millennium3 · 05-07-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by andypandy

Like NASA, send the culprits into orbit! A few whirls around the equator should cure any doubts regarding UKIP's grounded mission by those at the top. And a change in weather is not going to improve things.

The membership must advocate a separation of UKIP national parties into their respective England, Scotland, Wales, and anywhere else left that UKIP campaigns in, groups, as a matter of urgency.

Otherwise, its a case of "boldly going (no)where no other man has been".

Do you think this would make voters 'stick'?

andypandy · 05-07-2006, 11:53 AM

Who knows whether they will stick, but even the most docile of cooks knows when it is time for a new piece of kitchenware. UKIP or its successor needs to attract an audience that is not solely obsessed with the EU. It also has to appear somewhat different, thus appealing to a new generation of would-be and future voters.

The UKIP brand has gone past its sell-by date, and needs re-packaging as a matter of urgency. One thing that surely has to be accepted, is that as it presently stands, UKIP beyond the EU elections, is going no-where other than as a vehicle for a (to some - SOME people) rabid anti-EU stance.

It does not work now, it never really did, and never really could. This is the illusion that its past and present leaders have continued to believe in.

UKIP as it stands is stale and mouldy looking; it is time for someone to use their LOAF, attract more DOUGH, and get a RISE from the public at large. Simply joining or setting-up yet another party will only cause further split votes that need to be so avoided in our FPTP election system. A broad anti-Eu front with specific national aims within the confines of the individual nations within the UK is an attractive proposition.

Failing that, check emigration requirements for Canada/NZ/Australia is the only other way of getting out of our present political malaise.

Millennium3 · 05-07-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andypandy

Who knows whether they will stick, but even the most docile of cooks knows when it is time for a new piece of kitchenware. UKIP or its successor needs to attract an audience that is not solely obsessed with the EU. It also has to appear somewhat different, thus appealing to a new generation of would-be and future voters.

The UKIP brand has gone past its sell-by date, and needs re-packaging as a matter of urgency. One thing that surely has to be accepted, is that as it presently stands, UKIP beyond the EU elections, is going no-where other than as a vehicle for a (to some - SOME people) rabid anti-EU stance.

It does not work now, it never really did, and never really could. This is the illusion that its past and present leaders have continued to believe in.

UKIP as it stands is stale and mouldy looking; it is time for someone to use their LOAF, attract more DOUGH, and get a RISE from the public at large. Simply joining or setting-up yet another party will only cause further split votes that need to be so avoided in our FPTP election system. A broad anti-Eu front with specific national aims within the confines of the individual nations within the UK is an attractive proposition.

Failing that, check emigration requirements for Canada/NZ/Australia is the only other way of getting out of our present political malaise.

Do you think it is possible that the weakening in anti EU feelings, is not that the EU is now liked, but in comparison to the Blair style government [as opposed to previous] the difference in the lack of democratic accountability in each, is barely noticeable. In fact, it could be argued that Blair has perfected the art of 'Elective Dictatorship'!

If true, it would explain the rapid fall in voter turnout - it makes no difference - and opens the door for new UKIP policies which would grab the voters attention.

andypandy · 05-07-2006, 04:29 PM

I am not entirely convinced that there ever was wide-spread anti-EU feelings in the first place. The Euro elections only saw prominently withdrawal/anti-EU parties get less than 25% of all votes not counting the Greens, as their views are a bit obscure to me. I find it quite amusing that the main pro-EU protagonists have failed repeatedly to miss this little detail. I mean, in Bromley, they could argue that no matter what else, 90% voted in FAVOUR of the EU.

I think it is this obvious fact that explains the utter failure of anti-EU parties to get anywhere in the country; because the moronic majority actually WANT to stay in Europe.

I have yet to see a Westminster candidate specifically standing for an EU-exit party get elected in the 33 years since we joined this monster, at least, not on the mainland.

Millennium3 · 05-07-2006, 05:10 PM

I am in the middle of a 'Policy Suggestions and Ideas' item which I hope to post later. I would be interested in your comments [I'm afraid its a bit long - probably bore the pants off everyone].

Colin McNamee · 06-07-2006, 05:09 PM

If being a very poor third is considered OK then we have no chance unless some realism is let into UKIP.

It was a rubbish result.

Bye_bye_ukip · 17-10-2006, 03:02 PM

were was ukip in moray the seat the torys said they were going to win --- oops ukip dont exist in scotland- thankfully

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

UKIP received 8.1% of the vote in Bromley. The campaign apparently spent around £75,000, which is about £32 per vote.

Previous by-elections in Hartlepool and South Staffs exceeded 10% of the vote for UKIP.

On the up side, we did come third.

freedom & democracy 4 · 17-12-2006, 02:45 PM

Look at it this way, its a start. UKIP is one of the fastest growing political parties in the UK. Its like some fool said to me: "if UKIP are so good, how come labour won the election". I said back, "well prehaps an 80 year headstart could make a difference".

Britannist · 18-12-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by freedom & democracy 4

Look at it this way, its a start. UKIP is one of the fastest growing political parties in the UK. Its like some fool said to me: "if UKIP are so good, how come labour won the election". I said back, "well prehaps an 80 year headstart could make a difference".

Labour didn't win last year's General Election in England. They got less votes than the Conservatives.

Labour are now behind UKIP in the rural and suburban south of England (according to local council By-Eleciton results this year and the result of the Bromley Parliamentary By-Election in June 2006).

kernow · 18-12-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin McNamee

If being a very poor third is considered OK then we have no chance unless some realism is let into UKIP.

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A bit like British boxers were once described as "Gallant losers"!

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05-07-2006, 11:53 AM	#22 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Who knows whether they will stick, but even the most docile of cooks knows when it is time for a new piece of kitchenware. UKIP or its successor needs to attract an audience that is not solely obsessed with the EU. It also has to appear somewhat different, thus appealing to a new generation of would-be and future voters. The UKIP brand has gone past its sell-by date, and needs re-packaging as a matter of urgency. One thing that surely has to be accepted, is that as it presently stands, UKIP beyond the EU elections, is going no-where other than as a vehicle for a (to some - SOME people) rabid anti-EU stance. It does not work now, it never really did, and never really could. This is the illusion that its past and present leaders have continued to believe in. UKIP as it stands is stale and mouldy looking; it is time for someone to use their LOAF, attract more DOUGH, and get a RISE from the public at large. Simply joining or setting-up yet another party will only cause further split votes that need to be so avoided in our FPTP election system. A broad anti-Eu front with specific national aims within the confines of the individual nations within the UK is an attractive proposition. Failing that, check emigration requirements for Canada/NZ/Australia is the only other way of getting out of our present political malaise.

05-07-2006, 04:29 PM	#24 (permalink)
andypandy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	I am not entirely convinced that there ever was wide-spread anti-EU feelings in the first place. The Euro elections only saw prominently withdrawal/anti-EU parties get less than 25% of all votes not counting the Greens, as their views are a bit obscure to me. I find it quite amusing that the main pro-EU protagonists have failed repeatedly to miss this little detail. I mean, in Bromley, they could argue that no matter what else, 90% voted in FAVOUR of the EU. I think it is this obvious fact that explains the utter failure of anti-EU parties to get anywhere in the country; because the moronic majority actually WANT to stay in Europe. I have yet to see a Westminster candidate specifically standing for an EU-exit party get elected in the 33 years since we joined this monster, at least, not on the mainland.

05-07-2006, 05:10 PM	#25 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,757	I am in the middle of a 'Policy Suggestions and Ideas' item which I hope to post later. I would be interested in your comments [I'm afraid its a bit long - probably bore the pants off everyone].

06-07-2006, 05:09 PM	#26 (permalink)
Colin McNamee Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 894	If being a very poor third is considered OK then we have no chance unless some realism is let into UKIP. It was a rubbish result.

17-12-2006, 02:45 PM	#28 (permalink)
freedom & democracy 4 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Emsworth, full of the EU's Polish imports! Posts: 209	Look at it this way, its a start. UKIP is one of the fastest growing political parties in the UK. Its like some fool said to me: "if UKIP are so good, how come labour won the election". I said back, "well prehaps an 80 year headstart could make a difference".