Thanks for the very condescending welcome message!
Thank you Niall for forwarding the message to me. And thanks to GLW for taking the trouble to reply to my question. There was no special need or expectation for GLW to reply in any length to what was a very brief question but thanks to him for doing so.
Here is GLWs answer he asked me to send you:-
Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!
From The Ugly Corruption of The EUkip Caterpillars on The EU Gravy Train
The Fragile Hope of UKIP Butterflies YOU Have The Freedom to Choose
Butterflies or Caterpillars?
To Nurturing Butterflies & A Way Forward
Today, 12:51 AM
Join Date: Jul 2005
Originally Posted by T.N.Warry
... devotes alot of time to the cause of cleanig up UKIP.
Out of interest and apologies if this is a bit off-topic but who does GLW wish to be/see as the future leadership of the party if he is successful in his, as you say, "cleaning up UKIP."? He cannot be claimed to be disinterested in the matter for sure.
Thanks in advance.
I would contend that it is unreasonable to expect that Niall Warry could answer for me as clearly he has his own views with which I have often vehemently disagreed over the years ;-) – one of the very reasons that I ran training weekend at The Huntsman Hotel was so that I could participate in training and exchange of ideas on the management and governance, not only of a nascent political party but by having present Tories, Labour supporters and even Communists it was possible to expand ones horizons to cater to the needs of all.
Clearly training was needed as in almost 15 years EUkip has conducted none though one must congratulate the Group founded around this Forum for their efforts to inform and discuss to strengthen and grow UKIP albeit repeatedly sabotaged by those who wished to drag UKIP into the gutter such as the foul mouthed Ms. Fuller and supporters like Toby Mickelthwaite, Page, Denny, The BF M and their ilk.
Independent UKIP has asked a VERY valid question which I feel should be answered and before hissing sid issues forth from Swindon in a flurry of incomprehension perhaps he should note the frequency with which he posts third party material and the fact that to date he has not produced one shred of evidence to back his many inaccurate assertions whereas at least I have offered sight of ALL evidentiary material which I hold and have expressed over some 10 years a willingness to meet with anyone for the potential good of my Country and/or to attend to be cross examined as to my statements and contentions – A FACT which EUkip has been too timorous to take up no doubt for fear that I might expose more than they could bury thereby.
Independent UKIP asked me a direct question to which I am happy to give a reply.
Firstly let us look at history – At the time of the last leadership election I agreed with Nigel Farage previously that I would (as requested by NF) do all I could to encourage Richard Suchorzewski to stand as a candidate for the NEC. To give what was still just about UKIP additional credibility based upon his qualifications, competences and ability. This I did and I advocated that he not only campaigned for the NEC but was minded there was a leadership election due.
RS was elected together with several fundamentally honest, if at times naive, new members – I advocated that they continued to maintain a high profile campaigning stance with a view to displacing some of the corrupt, self interested and untrustworthy members which included the then Treasurer Andrew Smith (my case is made and proven by the catastrophy of his incompetence in any concept of professional terms the man is a rascal in my opinion and was responsible for the guilty verdict againt the Party at Horseferry Road aided by the stupidity of Farage who was clearly WAY out of his intellectual depth).
The corruption of the Leadership election over which Geoffrey Kingscott presided as Returning Officer once Denny was sacked by the NEC and replaced with GK for his very specific corruption and dishonesty and for having lied to the NEC albeit he was permitted to withdraw the statement. The rest is ALMOST history.
Despite the corruption of the election and the obscene irresponsibility of Farage in launching his bid for leader by squandering in excess of £100,000 in paying some £68 for each additional vote in Bromley to get a predictably risible result despite his assurances based upon his political expertise.
I appreciate that Nigel Farage is almost totally without integrity or morality even so I am sure he would be sufficiently honest to admit that firstly I had ALWAYS backed him and was THE ONLY individual to put the party first and publish a defence of his drunken whoring as reported in The NoTW – NOT ONE other Friend or supporter of either Farage or UKIP spoke out. Farage will also confirm that I had warned him that I would oppose him on every count if he sought leadership as I knew he lacked the competence, gravitas, ability, intellect, plausibility or probity to be leader and I had openly stated this to Farage.
To this end I sought a ‘Deal’ comprising an intelligent division of duties between Petrina Holdsworth (who had had to stand down due to the health of her husband, a continued concern), Richard Suchorzewski and Nigel Farage. The best of all possible worlds as this was before the obscenity of Croucher, Fuller, Denny and others promoting their opinion that RS was BNP – clearly a deliberate lie as they had not even established that his partner at the time was a highly skilled Nursing Sister at King Edwards Hospital of St. Lucian origin – nor had they established the simple facts of his ancestry, his Father having found his grandfather hanged by Nazis on a lamp post at the age of 15 his own father shot within days and his mother deported to a death camp! RS’s father became a Partisan for the war joining with British troops in Italy towards the end and was granted British citizenship by Churchill at the end of the war by way of thanks – I wonder what **** like Denny, Croucher, Fuller, Carver, Mickelthwaite, Moran and their ilk EVER did for anyone but themselves let alone their Country!
It was suggested that RS was made leader supported by Petrina Holdsworth when available – his task being to structure the party with lines of accountability and a structure both for the Party & its branches and accounts whilst introducing a strong training programme from which to select main contenders. PH overseeing the legalities and legal structure and professionally proofing all UKIP documentation.
Farage was to remain the Political spokesman and leader of the MEPs in EUrope answerable to the NEC.
Farage deliberately sabotaged UKIP whether for personal gain, from stupidity or from fear of exposure it is hard to tell – but destroy the credibility of the party he indubitably has.
It is hard to DIRECTLY respond to Independent UKIP’s question as the circumstances have moved on – there is no doubt there is NO ONE fit to lead UKIP in the immediate residual Leadership therefore permit me the iintelligent expedient of committing myself to an answer as follows:
I do not believe that it is wise to build a bridge to cross a river until we have found the river!
It is essential that we eradicate the corruption, the thick weeds and the brambles that obscure the footings on which to build this bridge – we do not know the depth of the water nor the bredth neither do we know the strength of the footings until they are exposed – I am NOT running away but FIRST we must destroy the caterpillars and slugs that are so clearly feeding on the corpse of EUkip which has absolutely no future – in killing the slugs and caterpillars we may find the host is in fact in irreversible terminal collapse – viz. what funds does it have, what branches (many currently are shams or paper branches), howmany members does it have (many are double entries lapsed or dead), howmuch help will such bodies as The Electoral Commission and other bodies give to survive the nurturing of the beleaguered crysalisis and frail butterflies.
That said I would advocate a similar structure to that which I advocated previously but the personalities may well be different.
If EUkip is unwilling to clean up its act I will relentlessly pursue those who have so besmirched the reputation of EUroScepticism for their own gain to the destruction of EUkip and to the imprisonment of those who have profited by their corruption. If EUkip can not be cleaned up it MUST be destroyed as it brings only shame to our Country.
I will do ALL I can to endeavour to assist draw forth the butterflies from the dormant crysalisis but I WILL crush every caterpillar and slug that I can.
We NEED UKIP as our only lifeboat but I will do all I can to ensure the British peoples do NOT get duped into clambering into the rotten hulk of EUkip to sink in their venal corruption.
It would perhaps have been both unwise and unfair for Independent UKIP to receive my answer from Niall Warry as he may well disagree with my answer yet could expect a temper tantrum of huge proportion fro the likes of denny & The BF M scared at the thought of the outcome if they can not discredit me with the normal cowardly lies.
I wish those of integrity who value UKIP good luck but I am NOT holding my breath as I believe that EUkip may yet have to be destroyed as uncleanable.
I will meet with ANYONE who genuinely wishes to redeem our National independent sovereignty liberated from vassal status in the undeniably corrupt and obscenely damaging EU.
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