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I just want to put down a few random notes on the London elections, from the perspective of a eurosceptical London voter.
Sadly, the Liberal Party weren't standing in London at all this year - London being one of our weakest areas. I hope we can now get organised in the capital and put on a strong challenge in the next London mayoral/assembly elections in 2012, but this time around I had no Liberal candidates to vote for. I still wish UKIP well and watched your campaign with interest. Or tried to. Leaflets and canvassing We had leaflets and campaign material through the letterbox from: Labour (at least 6 leaflets/postcards); Socialist Alternative; Left List; Green Party (one very professional newspaper and two leaflets). (I think we also got one from the Christian People's Popular Christian Party, or whatever they are called, but can't remember for sure) We received no leaflets at all from: UKIP, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, English Democrats, BNP, NF Canvassing: The only knock on the door was by someone from the Socialist Alternative, the day before the vote. Official voting guide All voters in London received by post a glossy full-colour A5 booklet called "The Candidates". Within it each mayoral candidate had a double page spread to make their appeal to the voters. Assembly candidates were listed at the back, but with no additional detail. This was definitely the most useful and informative thing we received on which to decide how to vote. I'm sure it had a lot of influence on the way people chose to vote. I carried it to the polling booth and I'm sure many others did so too. The BNP section: much as I detest that party, their double page spread was very effective and professional. Well designed, well thought out, didn't mention their more extreme views at all, would have left the average voter wondering why all the other parties are so anti-BNP. Focussed on knife crime (but without referencing Tony Lecomber), St George's Day and the hardship caused by economic migrants, but all done in the best possible taste. One anti-Muslim reference, but carefully coded. 8/10 The UKIP section: embarrassingly amateurish. Banged on about immigration and the EU, as if being Mayor would give him any power to change that. Made UKIP look more extreme than the BNP (see above). Photo of Gerard Batten was fractionally better than his usual one, as if the photographer had said "Fer gawd's sake, Gerard, SMILE!" but still not great. If Gerard insists on designing his own election materials, he should at least get somebody competent to check them afterwards. 3/10 Green section was good (7/10), Boris' section was better than Ken's. Paddick's section was mediocre. The English Democrats was poor (3/10) but nicely laid out and probably seems great to anyone who is already an English nationalist. (but likely to leave all other voters cold, as it did me). The National Front and One London didn't have their own sections in the leaflet as they only had Assembly candidates, not Mayoral candidates. Voting day I intended to support UKIP but after reading the leaflet above felt unable to support Gerard. Why on earth does he find it necessary to bang on about immigration in an election for Mayor of the country's most multiracial city? His other policies struck me as average, and the overall approach struck me as very amateur. I therefore decided to vote for the Green candidate for mayor, despite my reservations about Green policy nationally. I did however give both my Assembly election votes to UKIP. I knew nothing about the UKIP Assembly candidates apart from their names, but decided to give them the benefit of the doubt. Incidentally, it has been mentioned that the NF outpolled UKIP in this constituency (and others). I found that so astonishing that I initially though the BBC had made a mistake, but not so. As the NF are very little known here and ddid no campaigning that I saw, I can't cast much light on that. On the ballot paper, they appeared as "NF - Putting Londoners First", which was clever. It is inane but reassuring. Sure, it is a coded reference to their racist views but it just looked like the kind of positive waffle that many advertisers and politicians use, and wouldn't have scared anyone off. I imagine that their success, as somebody has already suggested, was simply as a proxy for the BNP. Or more exactly, there are about 3-5% of Londoners who are angry, anti-minority, anti-old party and generally want to kick out. They will vote for whichever party on the ballot paper that they think will send the message "I'm Mad As Hell!" most effectively, regardless of whether that is the NF, BNP or Klu Klux Klan! |
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I think that more accurately it is 1.5-2.5%, given that only 45% voted. 55% were too apathetic to turn up.
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![]() Didn't the EDs say they were "Putting England First"? I don't quite recall what the ballot paper said as I didn't vote for them. |
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From Tom Wilde, "We received no leaflets at all from:
UKIP, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, English Democrats, BNP, NF". Which proves to me, people had made up their minds who they were going to vote for and the leaflets made no difference whatsoever! The Tories, Labour or the Lib Dems can shove what they like through my door and it will make no difference to me or those who really want to vote! They and I will vote for whatever party we want to win and leaflets won't make us stray from that path! |
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The vast majority of people in this country emulate their peers and family. If a majority of their peers do not vote, then they will not vote even if they were considering doing so. Likewise if you are brought up in a family that has someone who votes at every election, you are more likely to vote but if you do not have any such person you are almost certainly not going to vote.
Sadly most people do not vote any more. And this is going to get worse, not better, unless a party can convince people to come out and vote.
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leaflets might push the votes up or down by a few percent, but unless you have the TV and Newspapers on side, then you are in trouble.
If you have the manpower to knock on doors though, that can make a huge difference. All the places where UKIP does pretty well, seems to have a decent canvassing effort. Even that has to be worked on over time though, not just at elections.
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There really isn't much hope. I made some friends watch the "Taking Liberties" documentary - and even though they got very worked up and outraged about what seemed to be going on, they still refused to believe that politics was important and said they still wouldn't vote in the next GE...
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I thought it worth recording the data below;
With such large numbers of rejected/spoilt papers it is clear the electorate didn't have a clue. Electorate 5,419,913 Papers counted / turnout 2,456,990 Turnout 45.33% Change in turnout from 2004 Good votes 1st choice 2nd choice 2,415,958 2,004,078 Rejected votes * 1st choice 2nd choice 41,032 412,054 Blank **(no votes cast) 13,034 No 2nd preference *** 407,840 * "Rejected votes" refers to ballot papers where the vote has not been counted because the ballot paper has not been filled out correctly. This may be because the voter has marked more than one preference in one column, because the voter identified themselves on the ballot paper, if the voter’s intention is unclear or if the voter has spoiled his or her paper in any way. ** "Blank votes" refers to ballot papers where no 1st choice and no 2nd choice have been marked, and no vote has been counted. (This data is only available for 2008.) *** "No 2nd preference" refers to ballot papers where voters have only made 1st choice vote and no 2nd choice vote. The first choice vote has been counted. (This data is only available for 2008.) |
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