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Most of the UKIP Londoners I know (one of whom I have just been talking to over the telephone) have been campaigning against the EU longer than UKIP has existed and for a long enough time to remember the awful time of UKIP-hating Livingstone as head of the Greater London Council in the 1980s.

Not surprisingly they want Livingstone out. And they used their second preference vote yesterday (in the London Mayoral Election) in backing Boris Johnson MP to help remove UKIP-hating committed europhile Livingstone from City Hall.

mkpdavies

Supporting the EU to beat Livingston. Can't say it's a tactic I would use.

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This shows that Galloway may be right in saying that Respect will win one seat on the top-ups. Also, relatively strong showing by the CPA which has been gaining ground in recent months. Elsewhere I notice that the National Front is not dead, just a bit comatose.

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They may have just decided not to vote at all.

Although the turnout in the London Mayoral Election is up it is still possible that of the 100, 000 + voters who backed UKIP last time - half (or more) may have abstained. Of the five million people entitled to vote in London - about 3 million people did not vote yesterday.

All the UKIP people I know voted UKIP for the Assembly (proportional) list; the Assembly constituency vote and for the Mayoral Election first preference vote. Because they could not give their second preference Mayoral vote to UKIP they backed Boris Johnson MP in the second preference vote.

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UKIP people in London supported an anti-euro and anti-EU Constitution candidate (Boris Johnson MP) to help remove the UKIP-hating committed europhile Livingstone so that the biggest directly-elected political post in europe (apart from the French Presidency) is not held by a UKIP-hating europhile.

Your tactic seems to be to not vote for Boris Johnson: thus increasing the chance that UKIP-hating europhile Livingstone remains as London Mayor. If that is your tactic then I cannot agree with it.

Do you think the europhiles would abstain if there were anti-EU Mayor of London? Of course they wouldn't. They would turn out in huge numbers - whatever party they supported - to try to get an anti-EU Mayor out.

mkpdavies

I just think by voting for a fake, who belongs to a party that supports the EU in full and has a leader who calls UKIP people, looneys, fruitcakes and closet racists, is a tad odd.

It also means that Ken Livingstone will probably be Londons next Mayor again.

The circle of destruction is maintained. The sheeple lead easily to their fate.

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I agree with you that it was wrong of David Cameron to insult UKIP - and many Conservatives (some of whom will have been among the one million Conservatives who voted UKIP in the last EU Election) said so at the time.

As for your reference to "odd" (quote above) - I think it odd that some people who claim to be anti-EU appear to suggest that anti-EU UKIP people do not use their 'spare' vote (i.e. second preference vote) to help remove a man (Livingstone) who hates UKIP and who is more pro-EU than most British politicians from the biggest directly-elected office in europe (apart from the Presidency of France).

As I wrote earlier: if we had an anti-EU Mayor in London you can be sure the europhiles (whatever party they support) would not sit and abstain (as some seem to suggest anti-EU people should have done yesterday in the Mayoral Election) - they would turn out in huge numbers to vote to try to get the anti-EU Mayor out.

What did UKIP-hating europhile Livingstone want yesterday - for anti-EU people to sit at home and abstain or to vote for his main opponent (Boris Johnson MP)? What he wanted, of course, was for UKIP people to abstain in the London Mayoral Election second preference vote yesterday thus increasing his chance of keeping the top job at London's City Hall.

And some who claim to be anti-EU seem to suggest that UKIP voters in London should have done what Livingstone wanted yesterday and not give their spare vote to Boris Johnson MP.

It is now looking as if europhile UKIP-hating Livingstone will lose narrowly and that the deciding factor in him losing could well be the fact that UKIP second preference votes for Boris Johnson MP helped defeat him.

mkpdavies

I would have voted for two anti-EU candidates. Now we can look forward to Red Ken II, when Boris gets dumped during the coming crash.

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The result of voting for an anti-EU candidate in the second round of voting (in the London Mayoral Election) is that the second preference would not have been included (because only second preference votes for the two top votes are redistributed).

Livingstone wanted anti-EU people to vote for a small party in the second preference round because such votes obviously do not go to his main opponent Boris Johnson.

Incidentally if you vote UKIP in the first round of voting you cannot vote for UKIP in the second round. You say you would have voted for an anti-EU candidate in the second round.

Given that you would vote UKIP in the first round of voting and you say that you would vote for an anti-EU candidate in the second round your choices in the second round (of voting in the London Mayoral Election) would have been:

BNP
English Democrats (whose Mayoral candidate resigned from that party's English Democrat campaign)

All the UKIP people I know used their 'spare' (second preference vote) for Boris Johnson MP - main opponent of UKIP-hating europhile Livingstone.

The last thing Livingstone wanted was for UKIP and other anti-EU people to give their second preference votes to his main opponent Boris Johnson MP.

Livingstone out.

mkpdavies

Yep I would have vote UKIP and EDP.

I'll never vote pro-EU. Never.

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