Councillors defect to Liberals

youngliberal · 21-10-2007, 08:38 AM

Well it's great to see Lib Dem councillors protesting against their current party leadership and direction and defecting to a party advocating a liberal alternative to the other authoritarian main political parties.

Long may they continue to realise who the real Liberals are!

Westcountryman · 21-10-2007, 08:49 AM

What's this? Mitosis?

Tom Wilde · 21-10-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ModernUKIP

What's this? Mitosis?

Well, that would certainly be one way to increase party membership. Welcome, youngliberal!

Percy the Poodle · 21-10-2007, 10:17 PM

I believe that the British national conciousness is dying. The Scots in particular seem headed for at least partial separation. The unionist parties attempt to maintain the union in face of this opposition by putting England at a democratic, governmental and financial disadvantage. No other party seems to prepared to stand up and be counted on this issue.

With the Britishness itself dying it seems illogical and backward-looking to be constantly defending Britain against the EU as UKIP tries to. I believe passionately that the EU is bad thing for Europe if nothing else but that if you cannot paint a picture of a strong free nation independent of the EU, the withdrawal is the best answer message is hard to sell.

England in political terms is becoming fundamentally different to Scotland and Wales and having a single union government skews our politics away from true representation. I think we are on the whole in favour of smaller government than the Scots or the Welsh and have a more entrepreneurial spirit. We also have to face issues like immigration and overcrowding (not necessarily linked!) which they do not. In some ways I also believe that being smaller economically might get rid of the expensive and ridiculous notion that politicians have that we must be a 'big player' on the international scale and get involved in every war or treaty, whether its in our national interest or not.

An English parliament with strong powers could be used to send all of these messages to national government and might actually help to keep the union together via a federal system. If the union does not survive it enables us to step into the world as a free, prosperous nation not the rump of a dying idea.

Britannist · 21-10-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Percy the Poodle

An English Parliament with strong powers could be used to send all of these messages to national government and might actually help to keep the union together via a federal system.

UKIP policy supports the formation of a de-facto English Parliament within the structures of the Union of the UK.

UKIP is the only political party to offer a solution to the 'English Question' (which has emerged since Labour's botched devolution in 1999 in Scotland and Wales) in which the national Union (UK) Parliament is directly linked to the devolved bodies.

The policy of UKIP is that the present rival Parliament in Edinburgh and the Welsh Assembly at Cardiff are closed down saving a large amount of taxpayers' money. The duties and responsibilities of both would be passed to Scottish and Welsh constituency MPs elected to the House of Commons who would meet regularly in different parts of Scotland and Wales to deal with the work of the present Scottish Parliament and of the Welsh Assembly.

There would be no need hold separate elections for a Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly - MPs elected to the House of Commons would deal with the work of both as detailed above.

While Scottish and Welsh constituency MPs were away from Westminster on devolved matters, the English constituency MPs would deliberate on specifically English matters before the House of Commons.

kernow · 21-10-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by youngliberal

Well it's great to see Lib Dem councillors protesting against their current party leadership and direction and defecting to a party advocating a liberal alternative to the other authoritarian main political parties.

Long may they continue to realise who the real Liberals are!

I should know but I can't remember , why did a lot of Liberals split off to join Labour splits to eventually form the treacherous Lib Dems?

youngliberal · 22-10-2007, 04:09 PM

Kernow, the Liberal Party are the Liberals who opposed the 1988 merger of the Liberal and Social Democratic Parties.

Thanks Tom for the welcome. I have PM'd you with my e-mail address. We should keep in touch and discuss the party and how to take it forward.

And ModernUKIP, it's not Mitosis. Just a really honest party with clear policies.

Westcountryman · 22-10-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by youngliberal

And ModernUKIP, it's not Mitosis. Just a really honest party with clear policies.

Eh? Tom got the joke...

youngliberal · 22-10-2007, 04:37 PM

Sorry, slow on the uptake!

Westcountryman · 22-10-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by youngliberal

Sorry, slow on the uptake!

Long day?

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21-10-2007, 08:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
youngliberal Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	Well it's great to see Lib Dem councillors protesting against their current party leadership and direction and defecting to a party advocating a liberal alternative to the other authoritarian main political parties. Long may they continue to realise who the real Liberals are!

21-10-2007, 10:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Percy the Poodle Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Devon Posts: 362	I believe that the British national conciousness is dying. The Scots in particular seem headed for at least partial separation. The unionist parties attempt to maintain the union in face of this opposition by putting England at a democratic, governmental and financial disadvantage. No other party seems to prepared to stand up and be counted on this issue. With the Britishness itself dying it seems illogical and backward-looking to be constantly defending Britain against the EU as UKIP tries to. I believe passionately that the EU is bad thing for Europe if nothing else but that if you cannot paint a picture of a strong free nation independent of the EU, the withdrawal is the best answer message is hard to sell. England in political terms is becoming fundamentally different to Scotland and Wales and having a single union government skews our politics away from true representation. I think we are on the whole in favour of smaller government than the Scots or the Welsh and have a more entrepreneurial spirit. We also have to face issues like immigration and overcrowding (not necessarily linked!) which they do not. In some ways I also believe that being smaller economically might get rid of the expensive and ridiculous notion that politicians have that we must be a 'big player' on the international scale and get involved in every war or treaty, whether its in our national interest or not. An English parliament with strong powers could be used to send all of these messages to national government and might actually help to keep the union together via a federal system. If the union does not survive it enables us to step into the world as a free, prosperous nation not the rump of a dying idea.

22-10-2007, 04:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
youngliberal Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	Kernow, the Liberal Party are the Liberals who opposed the 1988 merger of the Liberal and Social Democratic Parties. Thanks Tom for the welcome. I have PM'd you with my e-mail address. We should keep in touch and discuss the party and how to take it forward. And ModernUKIP, it's not Mitosis. Just a really honest party with clear policies.

22-10-2007, 04:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
youngliberal Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 17	Sorry, slow on the uptake!