Can The House Of Lords Save The Day?

MAZZINI · 09-03-2008, 01:03 PM

Taken off the 'net':

NATIONAL LIBERAL PARTY CALLS FOR
LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PEERS TO SAVE THE DAY

The new National Liberal Party is calling upon Lib Dem Peers to "save the day for Liberalism" by rejecting the Government plans to ratify the EU Treaty without a referendum.

National Secretary David Durant said "Nick Clegg's demand that Lib Dem M.P's abstain on the referendum vote rather than honouring their manifesto pledge has done untold damage to his party and Liberalism in general. Lib Dem Peers however can save the day if they vote against the Treaty in the House of Lords and help send it back to the Commons for another vote".

Furthermore he said "As things stand the Lib Dem's look set to lose over 10 seats at the next General Election as the electorate punish Nick Clegg's contempt for the voter"

The NLP will be launching its website this month which will unveil its' General Election plans.

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Contact: David Durant (National Secretary) 07761 976219 or natliberal@aol.com
Address: PO Box 4217, Hornchurch, Essex RM12 4PJ
Press Release (NLP02press) distributed by Accentuate - PR Company Contact: accentuatepr@yahoo.co.uk

mkpdavies · 09-03-2008, 04:35 PM

A bit like hoping Gary Glitter will be a good babysitter.

Firefly · 09-03-2008, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

A bit like hoping Gary Glitter will be a good babysitter.

haha so true, sad but true

eublues · 09-03-2008, 06:01 PM

Very unlikely. Don't forget that there are many in there with EU pensions.

Geoffrey Collier · 09-03-2008, 09:24 PM

Should the HoL's vote in favour of a referendum, that would increase their standing in public esteem. Having decided that the Lisbon Treaty is fundamentally different from the EU Constitution, this should enable the Lords to savage the Bill, without being accused of rejecting a government manifesto
pledge, which under the Salisbury Convention, they refrain from doing. Secondly, in the HoC, the Conservatives could oppose the government, safe in the knowledge that the government had a majority. In the Lords, the Conservatives have a majority, so they should be able to defeat the government, if that is what they really wish. If nothing other than causing a delay in the ratification process results from the efforts of the HoL, a delay could serve us well.

The present situation could change dramatically over the coming months.
A full-blown economic crisis is looming. German bankers and industrialists are
predicting the euro-zone could be blown apart with both the dollar and pound falling dramatically. As you will be aware, a fall in both those currencies, is tantamount to an import tariff on EU goods.The post-war global economic system is in dire straits: hold firm and we could win yet.

Firefly · 09-03-2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

The present situation could change dramatically over the coming months.
A full-blown economic crisis is looming. German bankers and industrialists are
predicting the euro-zone could be blown apart with both the dollar and pound falling dramatically. As you will be aware, a fall in both those currencies, is tantamount to an import tariff on EU goods.The post-war global economic system is in dire straits: hold firm and we could win yet.

The dollar as in the US dollar?

My sister told me they are saying now they are headed for a depression worse then the one in the early 1900's...

gimlet · 10-03-2008, 08:27 AM

US homeowners not doing well rigth now:

Homeowner equity is lowest since 1945

Geoffrey Collier · 10-03-2008, 09:45 AM

When Wall Street crashed in 1929, millions of the poor lost their jobs, political
instability was exported to Europe, Latin America and the poor countries from whom we purchased raw materials. Russia bought idle industrial machinery to accelerate her Five Year plan. Extremism, in all its political forms and manifestations was on the march. Are we to witness the same again? No, it will be worse. On this time-round not only will millions lose their employment,
but those same people are already up-to-their eyes in debt. Poverty and debt will co-exist in a way that it did not in the inter-war years. Have no doubt, things are increasingly desperate.

Global financial institutions, not only have an increasingly difficult task to survive, but they are collapsing under the weight of their own institutional corruption. What can we do?

We can withdraw from the EU. and endeavour to become as self-sufficient as possible. Stock-pile strategic reserves, and encourage as many businesses as possible to locate in the UK. This can be done by making large enterprises Rate free: ship-building, car makers, and similar employment. Employment creation will enable individuals to service their own debts and stay solvent. Reduce imports, by forgetting nonsense like agricultural set-aside. If the EU tell us that such measures would violate their anti-competition agreements, we tell them that protecting the interests of our own people must take precedent over all other considerations. Therefore we leave.

We are no longer an homogenous people. Tension on the home-front, will exist as it never did in the early 20th.C. Wish I could be more optimistic, but that, in these troubled time, is not possible. In times of war and economic collapse, we must take control of our own national management. Such times are with us.

Firefly · 10-03-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

When Wall Street crashed in 1929, millions of the poor lost their jobs, political
instability was exported to Europe, Latin America and the poor countries from whom we purchased raw materials. Russia bought idle industrial machinery to accelerate her Five Year plan. Extremism, in all its political forms and manifestations was on the march. Are we to witness the same again? No, it will be worse. On this time-round not only will millions lose their employment,
but those same people are already up-to-their eyes in debt. Poverty and debt will co-exist in a way that it did not in the inter-war years. Have no doubt, things are increasingly desperate.

Global financial institutions, not only have an increasingly difficult task to survive, but they are collapsing under the weight of their own institutional corruption. What can we do?

We can withdraw from the EU. and endeavour to become as self-sufficient as possible. Stock-pile strategic reserves, and encourage as many businesses as possible to locate in the UK. This can be done by making large enterprises Rate free: ship-building, car makers, and similar employment. Employment creation will enable individuals to service their own debts and stay solvent. Reduce imports, by forgetting nonsense like agricultural set-aside. If the EU tell us that such measures would violate their anti-competition agreements, we tell them that protecting the interests of our own people must take precedent over all other considerations. Therefore we leave.

We are no longer an homogenous people. Tension on the home-front, will exist as it never did in the early 20th.C. Wish I could be more optimistic, but that, in these troubled time, is not possible. In times of war and economic collapse, we must take control of our own national management. Such times are with us.

And if we the people are not given the option to leave the EU? I LOVE this country so much. But I'm scared.

09-03-2008, 01:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
MAZZINI Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	Can The House Of Lords Save The Day? Taken off the 'net': NATIONAL LIBERAL PARTY CALLS FOR LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PEERS TO SAVE THE DAY The new National Liberal Party is calling upon Lib Dem Peers to "save the day for Liberalism" by rejecting the Government plans to ratify the EU Treaty without a referendum. National Secretary David Durant said "Nick Clegg's demand that Lib Dem M.P's abstain on the referendum vote rather than honouring their manifesto pledge has done untold damage to his party and Liberalism in general. Lib Dem Peers however can save the day if they vote against the Treaty in the House of Lords and help send it back to the Commons for another vote". Furthermore he said "As things stand the Lib Dem's look set to lose over 10 seats at the next General Election as the electorate punish Nick Clegg's contempt for the voter" The NLP will be launching its website this month which will unveil its' General Election plans. END Contact: David Durant (National Secretary) 07761 976219 or natliberal@aol.com Address: PO Box 4217, Hornchurch, Essex RM12 4PJ Press Release (NLP02press) distributed by Accentuate - PR Company Contact: accentuatepr@yahoo.co.uk

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09-03-2008, 06:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,823	Very unlikely. Don't forget that there are many in there with EU pensions.

09-03-2008, 09:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 408	Should the HoL's vote in favour of a referendum, that would increase their standing in public esteem. Having decided that the Lisbon Treaty is fundamentally different from the EU Constitution, this should enable the Lords to savage the Bill, without being accused of rejecting a government manifesto pledge, which under the Salisbury Convention, they refrain from doing. Secondly, in the HoC, the Conservatives could oppose the government, safe in the knowledge that the government had a majority. In the Lords, the Conservatives have a majority, so they should be able to defeat the government, if that is what they really wish. If nothing other than causing a delay in the ratification process results from the efforts of the HoL, a delay could serve us well. The present situation could change dramatically over the coming months. A full-blown economic crisis is looming. German bankers and industrialists are predicting the euro-zone could be blown apart with both the dollar and pound falling dramatically. As you will be aware, a fall in both those currencies, is tantamount to an import tariff on EU goods.The post-war global economic system is in dire straits: hold firm and we could win yet.

10-03-2008, 08:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 760	US homeowners not doing well rigth now: Homeowner equity is lowest since 1945

10-03-2008, 09:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 408	When Wall Street crashed in 1929, millions of the poor lost their jobs, political instability was exported to Europe, Latin America and the poor countries from whom we purchased raw materials. Russia bought idle industrial machinery to accelerate her Five Year plan. Extremism, in all its political forms and manifestations was on the march. Are we to witness the same again? No, it will be worse. On this time-round not only will millions lose their employment, but those same people are already up-to-their eyes in debt. Poverty and debt will co-exist in a way that it did not in the inter-war years. Have no doubt, things are increasingly desperate. Global financial institutions, not only have an increasingly difficult task to survive, but they are collapsing under the weight of their own institutional corruption. What can we do? We can withdraw from the EU. and endeavour to become as self-sufficient as possible. Stock-pile strategic reserves, and encourage as many businesses as possible to locate in the UK. This can be done by making large enterprises Rate free: ship-building, car makers, and similar employment. Employment creation will enable individuals to service their own debts and stay solvent. Reduce imports, by forgetting nonsense like agricultural set-aside. If the EU tell us that such measures would violate their anti-competition agreements, we tell them that protecting the interests of our own people must take precedent over all other considerations. Therefore we leave. We are no longer an homogenous people. Tension on the home-front, will exist as it never did in the early 20th.C. Wish I could be more optimistic, but that, in these troubled time, is not possible. In times of war and economic collapse, we must take control of our own national management. Such times are with us.