kernow

Well said! So very true!

rjt

The Lib Dems will no more form a government under the current electoral system that than UKIP, they will still be in a distant third after the next election.

The next government will be lead by Brown or Cameron I am not a member of UKIP but what I think they should do is target their seats carefully, there is still a good chance we might end up with a hung parliament and just a few UKIP MPS could then be in position to influence things for the good.

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reg

I agree with the statement Below lets have a debate now and a referendum on the UKs EU membership in which I would campaign to come out.

Tories confused over EU treaty - Clegg
21 January 2008




Liberal Democrat Leader Nick Clegg has written to David Cameron demanding clarification of the Conservative Party’s stance on the EU treaty.

Commenting, Nick Clegg said:

"The argument over a referendum on the treaty is being used as a smokescreen to hide the real issue of whether we want to be part of the EU or not.

"The Government has become terrified of making the case for Europe, whilst the Tories are using the debate over a treaty as an excuse to retreat into old-school euroscepticism.

"David Cameron appears to have become confused over the differences that do exist between this treaty and the previous draft constitution. Until he explains what the Conservatives would propose to do if this treaty were rejected his position makes no logical sense.

"This treaty deserves a full debate, which is why it would be wrong to prevent it from reaching a second reading in Parliament.

"The time has come for us to have an open discussion about the future of Britain’s relationship with Europe. That means a referendum with one simple question: do we want to be in or out of the EU?

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mkpdavies

It's like watching two children both on thin ice, lobbing rocks at each other.

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C_steam

Whilst the bigger bully looks on, laughing and unscathed?

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EURO-SLAGS. we're not just about Europe - we're about taking the pi55 out of the EU.

mkpdavies

Yep, grateful that all the other kids attention is focused on the muppets.

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Britannist

Yes, the Lib Dims are a nasty party - they are just a bunch of EU puppets.

No one should ever vote for that lot.

Percentage

Are there any Lib-Dems out there who can explain exactly what are the "constitutional" differences as they would put forward that now exist in this version of the treaty that have impelled them to change there position as David Law's on QT was explaining & refering to?

Britannist

None of the europhiles (including the Liberal Dims) can or want to answer that valid point from you, Percentage.

There is, of course, only one reason why the Liberal Dims say they no longer want an EU Constitution (EU 'Amending' Treaty) referendum: and that is because they know they would not win it (i.e. the anti-EU Treaty side would be victorious).

The fact that the obsessively pro-EU Liberal Dims are so concerned at not winning a Treaty vote and that they are desperate to avoid one being held is clear evidence that they don't want to put the EU Treaty to be put at risk of being rejected in a referendum because it facilitates another major shifit of power from London to Brussels.