Liberal Democrat 'Dream Ticket'

22ANDUK · 16-10-2007, 06:39 PM

Rumours abound Westminster that Nick Clegg and David Laws are poised to run a 'Dream Ticket' campaign for the Lib Dem leadership following Sir Menzies Campbell's resignation - hoping to see Clegg instated as leader and Laws as Treasury Spokesperson, much akin to Blair and Brown/Cameron and Osbourne. It will certainly be interesting, as if both are elected, they would professionalise the party and take a lot of the Left/Liberal members out of the cushy comfort zone.

Appreciate that many users won't be cordial to the Liberal Democrats anyway, but what's your view?

And how will many 'grassroots' members cope with Clegg and Laws, both seen as on the right of the party and key players in the seminal Orange Book?

Sir Menzies Campbell: 'I was irritated and frustrated by ageist criticism' | the Daily Mail
The Orange Book: Reclaiming Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Laws and Clegg named among 100 most influential figures ‘on the right’ | Liberal Democrat Voice

jason phillips · 10-12-2007, 08:23 PM

I was a former UKIP Candidate but left the Party after being out numbered by Thatcherites in the Party.
I joined the Libdems the day Nick Clegg announced he was standing for Leader. Everybody in the Party knows that the 1st thing he will do as Leader is to appoint his friend David Laws as Treasury Spokesperson.
Both Laws & Clegg are to the right of Cameron on economic issues & are a lot less Authoritarian. I am a Centre-right Libertarian who is Eurosceptic. Clegg & Laws want to hold a referendum on the EU membership, are against ID cards & want to legalise possession of all drugs for personal use ( even Heroin & Crack cocaine ).
Until a Libertarian Party in the Uk is launched, then I'm sticking with the new Centre Right Libertarian Libdems.

Westcountryman · 10-12-2007, 08:29 PM

The Lib Dems are Liberals, not libertarians.

jason phillips · 10-12-2007, 08:52 PM

I was talking about Libdems run by Nick Clegg with Laws close behind.
When I was a member of UKIP I was honest about their faults - Homophobic & racist etc. I will do the same with Libdems. Hopefully this will be a stop-gap until a UK Libertarian Party is formed.
I'm a former Philosophy & Politics student, I'm very open minded.
Whats your background?

jason phillips · 10-12-2007, 09:00 PM

When I say Homophobic & racist, I mean some of the members. Also some I met were very sexist as well.
I went to Libdem conference to support Nigel Farage in October. I met many Libdems who were more Socialist than Liberal in my opinion.
I got talking to Laws at conference & I couldn't believe how right wing he was. I had read ' The Orange Book ' by Laws & clegg, so knew they were more right wing than all the other Libdems. I was just shocked at his Economic Libertarian views, he made Cameron look like a Communist.

Westcountryman · 10-12-2007, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason phillips

I was talking about Libdems run by Nick Clegg with Laws close behind.
When I was a member of UKIP I was honest about their faults - Homophobic & racist etc. I will do the same with Libdems. Hopefully this will be a stop-gap until a UK Libertarian Party is formed.
I'm a former Philosophy & Politics student, I'm very open minded.
Whats your background?

I'm a current student, I have studied politics and law - specialising in criminal law, contract law and consumer protection. I am in the Trading Standards field. I'm an ex-tory who is a current member of UKIP. I joined UKIP mainly because of its anti-EU stance, but also because of its common sense policies in certain areas.

I left the Tories when Cameron became leader.

jason phillips · 10-12-2007, 09:42 PM

I left Uni years ago. You've studied some interesting things there my friend. Even though I'm a Libertarian, I love Criminal Law. I did 4 A-Levels Philos, Politics, Economics & Law. I'm nearly 32 so it was a while ago.
I joined Conservatives when Portillo announced he was standing for Leader in 2001 because I believed he could turn the Party into a Libertarian one. I was also a big fan of Alan Duncan & had read 'Saturns Children' which was purely Libertarian. After IDS became Leader I lost interest in the Party but carried on being a 'Politics Anorak' .
I voted UKIP since 2004 Euro elections & stood as candidate in City Council elections.
There are a lot of people interested in launching ' The Libertarian Party ' but until then I'll stick with Clegg/Laws Dream Team LOL. If Huhne happens to win it then I'll leave because of his views on the Euro & being too left wing.

mkpdavies · 11-12-2007, 07:17 PM

"Buff" Huhne hasn't got a hope after THAT interview.

Michael Heaver · 11-12-2007, 09:30 PM

Jason, as an ex-member of UKIP you surely understand the severity of the dangers the European Union poses Britain in the coming years?

How then can you be a member of a Party that holds, so whole heartedly, such anti-democratic values?

There's no point having "libertarian" Nick Clegg, or anybody else for that matter, as Prime Minister until the government the British people elect are the people who make the laws in the UK.

jason phillips · 11-12-2007, 09:54 PM

What is undemocratic about giving us Brits a say in whether we want to be part of the EU or not? Direct Democracy is not undemocratic. Proportional representation is a lot better than 1st past the post in terms of democracy.

16-10-2007, 06:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
22ANDUK Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,425	Liberal Democrat 'Dream Ticket' Rumours abound Westminster that Nick Clegg and David Laws are poised to run a 'Dream Ticket' campaign for the Lib Dem leadership following Sir Menzies Campbell's resignation - hoping to see Clegg instated as leader and Laws as Treasury Spokesperson, much akin to Blair and Brown/Cameron and Osbourne. It will certainly be interesting, as if both are elected, they would professionalise the party and take a lot of the Left/Liberal members out of the cushy comfort zone. Appreciate that many users won't be cordial to the Liberal Democrats anyway, but what's your view? And how will many 'grassroots' members cope with Clegg and Laws, both seen as on the right of the party and key players in the seminal Orange Book? Sir Menzies Campbell: 'I was irritated and frustrated by ageist criticism' \| the Daily Mail The Orange Book: Reclaiming Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Laws and Clegg named among 100 most influential figures ‘on the right’ \| Liberal Democrat Voice

10-12-2007, 08:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,680 Party: Libertarian Party	The Lib Dems are Liberals, not libertarians. __________________ Anyone who supports 42 days pre-charge detention should read this: 42-day detention: the threat to our liberty \| John Major - Times Online and this: Why David Davis is right to make a stand \| Mail Online

11-12-2007, 07:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	"Buff" Huhne hasn't got a hope after THAT interview. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

11-12-2007, 09:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Michael Heaver Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 372 Party: UKIP	Jason, as an ex-member of UKIP you surely understand the severity of the dangers the European Union poses Britain in the coming years? How then can you be a member of a Party that holds, so whole heartedly, such anti-democratic values? There's no point having "libertarian" Nick Clegg, or anybody else for that matter, as Prime Minister until the government the British people elect are the people who make the laws in the UK. __________________ "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something".

11-12-2007, 09:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
jason phillips Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Worcester Posts: 23	What is undemocratic about giving us Brits a say in whether we want to be part of the EU or not? Direct Democracy is not undemocratic. Proportional representation is a lot better than 1st past the post in terms of democracy. __________________ ' For Life, Liberty & Prosperity ' The Libertarian Party of The United Kingdom WWW.lpuk.org www.LibertarianUK.net

10-12-2007, 08:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
jason phillips Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Worcester Posts: 23	I was a former UKIP Candidate but left the Party after being out numbered by Thatcherites in the Party. I joined the Libdems the day Nick Clegg announced he was standing for Leader. Everybody in the Party knows that the 1st thing he will do as Leader is to appoint his friend David Laws as Treasury Spokesperson. Both Laws & Clegg are to the right of Cameron on economic issues & are a lot less Authoritarian. I am a Centre-right Libertarian who is Eurosceptic. Clegg & Laws want to hold a referendum on the EU membership, are against ID cards & want to legalise possession of all drugs for personal use ( even Heroin & Crack cocaine ). Until a Libertarian Party in the Uk is launched, then I'm sticking with the new Centre Right Libertarian Libdems.

10-12-2007, 08:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
jason phillips Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Worcester Posts: 23	I was talking about Libdems run by Nick Clegg with Laws close behind. When I was a member of UKIP I was honest about their faults - Homophobic & racist etc. I will do the same with Libdems. Hopefully this will be a stop-gap until a UK Libertarian Party is formed. I'm a former Philosophy & Politics student, I'm very open minded. Whats your background?

10-12-2007, 09:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
jason phillips Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Worcester Posts: 23	When I say Homophobic & racist, I mean some of the members. Also some I met were very sexist as well. I went to Libdem conference to support Nigel Farage in October. I met many Libdems who were more Socialist than Liberal in my opinion. I got talking to Laws at conference & I couldn't believe how right wing he was. I had read ' The Orange Book ' by Laws & clegg, so knew they were more right wing than all the other Libdems. I was just shocked at his Economic Libertarian views, he made Cameron look like a Communist.

10-12-2007, 09:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
jason phillips Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Worcester Posts: 23	I left Uni years ago. You've studied some interesting things there my friend. Even though I'm a Libertarian, I love Criminal Law. I did 4 A-Levels Philos, Politics, Economics & Law. I'm nearly 32 so it was a while ago. I joined Conservatives when Portillo announced he was standing for Leader in 2001 because I believed he could turn the Party into a Libertarian one. I was also a big fan of Alan Duncan & had read 'Saturns Children' which was purely Libertarian. After IDS became Leader I lost interest in the Party but carried on being a 'Politics Anorak' . I voted UKIP since 2004 Euro elections & stood as candidate in City Council elections. There are a lot of people interested in launching ' The Libertarian Party ' but until then I'll stick with Clegg/Laws Dream Team LOL. If Huhne happens to win it then I'll leave because of his views on the Euro & being too left wing.

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