Abolish prisions says former Lib Dem Frontbencher

kernow · 10-08-2007, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zak Zzygote

Kernow wrote:

That's because you espouse Stalinist policies.

Kernow wrote:

Kernow, you still haven't answered my question. Should we in the UK adopt a similar policy that has seen a 90% drop in drug related crime elsewhere (Switzerland)?

I await a logical answer to a reasonable question.

Or, judging by previous form, I await a lot of rattle throwing.

I haven't been rude to you , so I don't expect you to be rude to me!
I don't care if there's a 100% drop in drug related crime, taxpayers should not have to pay for drugs to be given to drug addicts to stop them committing crime. Next thing you'll be recommending is that people suffering from kleptomania should be allowed to steal!

rjt · 10-08-2007, 01:29 PM

Whilst I often disagree with you on issues regarding the death penalty and rehabiltation of offenders I have to agree with you 100% about the abomination that taxpayers, people who work hard and pay money to the state in the vain hope they receive decent public services should have to pay for illegal drugs to stop people commiting crime. Very well said indeed.

mkpdavies · 10-08-2007, 01:35 PM

I don't believe in giving them the drugs. If they want to get on a programme, where they will be weened off the drugs and given work to do etc to help pay for it then fine. Just giving them the drugs for free though, no way Jose.

Mind I wouldn't shoot them either. If they commit crimes, then they would be going on some enforced cold Turkey and workign their arses off for their keep in Mattland.

g hall · 10-08-2007, 05:52 PM

Kernow

Once again, I reiterate:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ModernUKIP
It's illegal because of the danger it poses. We don't need drug users suffering from psychosis running about the place. At least as things stand, drug users can be taken off the streets.

How many illegal drug users have psychological problems compared to legal drug users

It's illegal because we governed by control freaks

Kernow
Not if the British taxpayer has to pick up the tab for their self inflicted habit! What you're saying is, " Don't worry about finding the money for drugs if you become a drug addict, the taxpayer will pay"!

and rjt
the abomination that taxpayers, people who work hard and pay money to the state in the vain hope they receive decent public services should have to pay for illegal drugs to stop people commiting crime. Very well said indeed.

And I thought that my suggestion of only on licensed premises by fully trained /qualified licensees with known ingredients and volumes might have convinced you that the taxpayer would benefit

Modern UKIP
If drugs were legal, they'd be allowed to stay out in the community until they did something worthy of locking them away

err No - you can be sectioned quite easily even today

Zak64 · 11-08-2007, 12:14 PM

Kernow wrote:

Quote:

I don't care if there's a 100% drop in drug related crime, taxpayers should not have to pay for drugs to be given to drug addicts to stop them committing crime.

(RJT & MKPDavies made similar points.)

Eh? So your prohibitionist policies are so important, so precious, that you are prepared to see addicts commit crime and negatively affect the public? Presumably you must love the situation whereby the mafia and other violent criminal organisations get to make £billions per year in a market with about a 95% profit margin. Are you a big fan of organised crime? Or are you a gangster who argues for the current failed prohibitionist approach to protect his profit base?

Kernow, seeing as you youself are a former drug addict and a current casual drug user I think that's a fair question!

Westcountryman · 11-08-2007, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zak Zzygote

Kernow, seeing as you youself are a former drug addict and a current casual drug user I think that's a fair question!

I hope you can back that up with hard evidence matey, because otherwise that's libel!

Zak64 · 11-08-2007, 05:08 PM

Just having a bit of fun! I wasn't suggesting he was ever a junkie, I doubt that very much somehow! Kernow admitted in a previous post that he was a former smoker. Ergo: he was addicted to nicotine, and nicotine, the last time I looked it up was a very addictive drug. Then be beat his addiction to nicotine.

(Did you spot the evil grin smilie?)

Kernow has also stated he drinks currently. What is alcohol if not a drug?

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

Quote:

According to the American Heart Association, "Nicotine addiction has historically been one of the hardest addictions to break." Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. In heavy smokers, the addiction can be comparable to the extremely potent drugs cocaine and heroin in terms of addiction intensity

So I was just trying to make the point that when it comes to drug addiction the issues aren't just quite as black and white as some would have you believe.

Westcountryman · 11-08-2007, 06:10 PM

The implication was that he took illegal drugs, if I was Kernow I would be highly offended at the inference of your tone.

g hall · 11-08-2007, 09:43 PM

Perhaps some people only have a sense of humour when it suits

Westcountryman · 11-08-2007, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g hall

Perhaps some people only have a sense of humour when it suits

It wasn't funny by any stretch of the imagination.

10-08-2007, 01:35 PM	#33 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,819	I don't believe in giving them the drugs. If they want to get on a programme, where they will be weened off the drugs and given work to do etc to help pay for it then fine. Just giving them the drugs for free though, no way Jose. Mind I wouldn't shoot them either. If they commit crimes, then they would be going on some enforced cold Turkey and workign their arses off for their keep in Mattland. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

10-08-2007, 05:52 PM	#34 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,525	Kernow Once again, I reiterate: Quote: Originally Posted by ModernUKIP It's illegal because of the danger it poses. We don't need drug users suffering from psychosis running about the place. At least as things stand, drug users can be taken off the streets. How many illegal drug users have psychological problems compared to legal drug users It's illegal because we governed by control freaks Kernow Not if the British taxpayer has to pick up the tab for their self inflicted habit! What you're saying is, " Don't worry about finding the money for drugs if you become a drug addict, the taxpayer will pay"! and rjt the abomination that taxpayers, people who work hard and pay money to the state in the vain hope they receive decent public services should have to pay for illegal drugs to stop people commiting crime. Very well said indeed. And I thought that my suggestion of only on licensed premises by fully trained /qualified licensees with known ingredients and volumes might have convinced you that the taxpayer would benefit Modern UKIP If drugs were legal, they'd be allowed to stay out in the community until they did something worthy of locking them away err No - you can be sectioned quite easily even today __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

11-08-2007, 06:10 PM	#38 (permalink)
Westcountryman Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Westcountry. Posts: 5,922 Party: None	The implication was that he took illegal drugs, if I was Kernow I would be highly offended at the inference of your tone. __________________ Manus haec inimica tyrannis ense petit placidam sub libertate quietam - "This hand of mine, which is hostile to tyrants, seeks by the sword quiet peace under liberty."

11-08-2007, 09:43 PM	#39 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,525	Perhaps some people only have a sense of humour when it suits __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." Remember TANSTAAFL and TANJ

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10-08-2007, 01:29 PM	#32 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,380	Whilst I often disagree with you on issues regarding the death penalty and rehabiltation of offenders I have to agree with you 100% about the abomination that taxpayers, people who work hard and pay money to the state in the vain hope they receive decent public services should have to pay for illegal drugs to stop people commiting crime. Very well said indeed.