Westcountryman

No, I'm not happy with crime levels in this Country - but I don't consider 'surrender' a viable option.

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Zak64

Ranter wrote:
So, let's see if what your advocating can be economicaly supported.

30 years X 52 =1560 weeks. 1560 weeks being how long you think each addict should be incarcerated.

Let's assume there are 200,000 addicts in the country. (I wish). So if we lock 'em all up we get the number of weeks (1560) times the number of addicts.

200,000 addicts X 1560 weeks = 312,000,000 weeks in jail time.

Now let's assume each week of jail time costs the taxpayer (government) £500. (I wish!)

312,000,000 X £500 = £156,000,000,000 (Or £156 Billion) Or £5.2 Billion PA.

Ranter, you are suggesting we spend £5.2 Billion per year on a problem we could solve by spending a few £X Million on per year.

I hope your old granny dosen't need a life saving operation!

So instead of going into all sorts silly of hysterical panics about this, like a prepubescent schoolgirl who has been shown something a bit scary behind the bike sheds, can we at least have a reasonable debate about this?

BTW, why are you called Ranter?

Is it because you can't engage in reasonable bedate, and can only rant?

Just asking.

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g hall

What principle are you espousing that only substances YOU approve of should be legal

ZZ is absolutely correct in what he says and I fully support his viewpoint

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g hall

Include alcohol related and how about people high on adrenaline or caffeine

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g hall

So why are crime levels high ?

Lets start by defining crime shall we most crimes involve the theft of property or violence so agreed then that we should have more severe sanctions against these types of crime do we include taxation and charges we have to pay to private companies in this after all the money is taken regardless of ability to pay and fairness.

Do we include the withholding of medical treatment to some sections of the community on grounds of cost with murder after all the life can be saved
Would NICE then be in the dock

If we make drug taking "ordinary" and decriminalise it as I've suggested before and reduce an addicts need to commit serious crime then aren't we lowering the crime rate and letting the judicial system concentrate on the more serous crimes ?

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Zak64

No! No! Wait! I've just had a sudden vision! It will result in the perfect society! We should kill everyone (or at least work 'em to death on collective farms) who doesn't agree with me!

Yours sincerely

Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, Adolf Hitler etc.

(Did I mention I'm clairvoiyant?)

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Westcountryman

I'm sure some people think that burglary should be legal, doesn't mean we should do it. It's illegal because of the danger it poses. We don't need drug users suffering from psychosis running about the place. At least as things stand, drug users can be taken off the streets.

Oh, and Zak Zzygote, £5.2 billion p.a. represents between 1% and 2% of the national budget.

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Zak64

ModernUKIP wrote:
Hmm? I didn't advocate that. My viewpoint is far from that.

I'm advocting that we should at least start debating a different approach to the problem of drug addiction than the currently failed prohibitionist approach. If we could all look at this problem logically, without any MSM induced hysterics, then maybe, just maybe, we could find some sort of a solution.

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kernow

So to get a 90% drop in drug crime the British taxpayer would have to pay for drug addicts (remembering drug addiction is self inflicted) to be licenced and legally supplied with drugs! I've got a better idea , why not shoot the drug addicts and save the taxpayer a fortune!

mkpdavies

There are certain "crimes" that simply do not deserve prison.

There are other real crimes that deserve prison and then some.

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