LibDems propose mass repeal of big brother laws

Tom Wilde · 09-11-2006, 08:19 AM

I don't have a lot of time generally for the EU-loving, neo-socialist LibDems, but I have to say that the following is encourging and deserves UKIP backing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6129566.stm

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Lib Dems seek mass repeal of laws

Sir Menzies says an excessive number of laws has been passed
The Liberal Democrats are to call for a mass repeal of 10 parliamentary acts passed by Labour since 1997.
A "freedom bill" will set out plans to abolish ID cards, control orders for terror suspects and to end extradition to the US "without proper evidence".

The Lib Dems will also pledge to end the storage of DNA details of people never charged or convicted of crimes.

Party leader Sir Menzies Campbell is to say Labour is addicted to making laws and has created "legislative madness".

'Illiberal laws'

He will add: "It feeds its appetite for headlines with proposals and bills that are often confusing and repetitious."

Sir Menzies is due to unveil the freedom bill on Thursday.

The Lib Dems say the government has passed 365 acts and 32,000 Statutory Instruments - rules and regulations made by ministers - since 1997.

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mkpdavies · 09-11-2006, 08:26 AM

Yep, that will win them a lot of votes.

eublues · 09-11-2006, 08:42 AM

The apparent objectives of the LibDems can only be achieved by leaving the EU - they must know that.

Aardvark · 09-11-2006, 09:02 AM

Unusually I'm with the Lib Dems on this. I'd repeal a lot more and go back to a less intrusive form of government.

harryaldridge · 09-11-2006, 09:19 AM

The most sensible (only sensible?) thing the Lib-Dems have said.

UKIP could go one better and pledge a similar Bill repealing far more than their pitiful 10 Acts. I would say the idea is a simple one to sell, encompasses our libertarian agenda and could be quite effective.

One for our policy working groups to formulate perhaps

arden forester · 09-11-2006, 09:24 AM

I wonder why so many libertarians are in UKIP or support it and the media like to suppose that the opposite is the case? :?

harryaldridge · 09-11-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

I wonder why so many libertarians are in UKIP or support it and the media like to suppose that the opposite is the case? :?

Well i think in todays Britain youi dont have to be particulary libertarian to support repeal of oppressive laws, you just have to be normal. Although i agree there tends to be a high concentration of libertarians in UKIP. Maybe it is because we all despise politicians and government because can see through the spin at what is really going on.

On a different note i found this brilliant description of Cameron by a student.

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Is it just me or are other people irritated by his strange, chinless inbred, aristocratic and slightly melted excuse for a face? He reminds me of one of those 18th century charactures of a Whig or Tory politician. His entire shadow cabinet seems to be populated by strangely creepy individuals from Oliver Letwin's wetness to David Willets ostrich head and George Osbourne's Cameronesque boyish public school boy being buggered like crazy and loving it look. Whenever I look into Cameron's perfectly oval mush - whether he's making political capital out of his disabled kid or telling poor people that they really should behave better - I can't help but see hundreds of years of class oppression. If it wasn't for Charles II bonking everything that wasn't nailed down for decades and producing countless basatrds in the process I don't think the modern conservative party would exist. Sorry about the rant but is it really only me who thinks that if this man becomes PM Britain will have taken a huge step back

Colin McNamee · 09-11-2006, 01:05 PM

Worth remembering it is the Lib Dems saying this.

Doing is another matter.

kernow · 09-11-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

The apparent objectives of the LibDems can only be achieved by leaving the EU - they must know that.

Spot on eublues! Of course all the major political parties know this but they can't very well admit that to their supporters!

Britannist · 10-11-2006, 02:51 AM

I don't believe that the opportunistic europhile Liberal Dims mean much (if anything) of what they say above (in their latest policy statement).

First of all, the Liberal Dims are not going to be the next Government (or probably even a tiny part of it). They are going to lose alot of seats next time (50 of their 62 constituencies in the Commons are highly marginal) as the anti-Iraq 'war' protest vote returns (mostly) to Labour (which will have a new leader by then).

The question is - why has UKIP let these vile Liberal Dims give the impression that they (the Liberal Dims) and not UKIP were there first in their opposition to the authoritarian, costly and unwanted ID card scheme of the discredited control freak Blair?

UKIP was against the whole concept of ID cards and the intrusive ID card database long before Campbell's Fiberal Dims and the Conservatives were.

UKIP should not let the fanatically pro-EU Liberal Dims dominate ID card opposition. Especially as ID cards are the first step to the plan for an EU ID card. And the Liberal Dims adore the EU. UKIP should be saying that the Fiberal Dims can't have it both ways. They can't be against ID cards and for the EU at the same time.

09-11-2006, 08:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Yep, that will win them a lot of votes. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,631 Party: None	I wonder why so many libertarians are in UKIP or support it and the media like to suppose that the opposite is the case? :? __________________ www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

10-11-2006, 02:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	UKIP should not let Lib Dims dominate ID card opposition. I don't believe that the opportunistic europhile Liberal Dims mean much (if anything) of what they say above (in their latest policy statement). First of all, the Liberal Dims are not going to be the next Government (or probably even a tiny part of it). They are going to lose alot of seats next time (50 of their 62 constituencies in the Commons are highly marginal) as the anti-Iraq 'war' protest vote returns (mostly) to Labour (which will have a new leader by then). The question is - why has UKIP let these vile Liberal Dims give the impression that they (the Liberal Dims) and not UKIP were there first in their opposition to the authoritarian, costly and unwanted ID card scheme of the discredited control freak Blair? UKIP was against the whole concept of ID cards and the intrusive ID card database long before Campbell's Fiberal Dims and the Conservatives were. UKIP should not let the fanatically pro-EU Liberal Dims dominate ID card opposition. Especially as ID cards are the first step to the plan for an EU ID card. And the Liberal Dims adore the EU. UKIP should be saying that the Fiberal Dims can't have it both ways. They can't be against ID cards and for the EU at the same time.

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09-11-2006, 08:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,925	The apparent objectives of the LibDems can only be achieved by leaving the EU - they must know that.

09-11-2006, 09:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,109	Unusually I'm with the Lib Dems on this. I'd repeal a lot more and go back to a less intrusive form of government.

09-11-2006, 09:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
harryaldridge Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Sussex Posts: 1,862	The most sensible (only sensible?) thing the Lib-Dems have said. UKIP could go one better and pledge a similar Bill repealing far more than their pitiful 10 Acts. I would say the idea is a simple one to sell, encompasses our libertarian agenda and could be quite effective. One for our policy working groups to formulate perhaps

09-11-2006, 01:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Colin McNamee Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 894	Worth remembering it is the Lib Dems saying this. Doing is another matter.