Thread: A return to Old Labour?

Originally Posted by Adlib

If Labour get absolutely slaughtered in the General Election, do you think a new leader would see the party ditch New Labour and return to socialism?

Perhaps many traditional Labour supporters WANT New Labour to fail, so the Labour party of old can return, the one that cared about workers and more patriotic.

Balanced opinions please, this is a neutral thread, no bashing one way or the other.

Tbh I think old Labour or a socialist Labour party is a thing of the past regardless of the results of the election. Across Europe socialist governments are taking a battering due to their pro globalisation and Immigration policies, socialism is definately out of fashion. Which leaves us [the electorate] with a bit of a dilema, do we vote for the blue Tories, or the red Tories?

Persoanaly I would spoil my ballot paper before voting Labour again (and I say this as an ex lifelong Labour voter) and imo Cameron just hasn't got "it" the Tories seem rudderless. After the past decade the Tories should be at least twenty points ahead but the gap is nothing, I see a hung parliament and for that I blame all politicians. Having said that a coalition governent may not be such a bad thing.

Originally Posted by paralreg

We in this country profess to know of Socialism and either dam it to hell or morn wistfully over its assumed demise. Socialism has been proffered as a cure all, to the ills of the world. But in itself it is not and can never be because there has to be balance and this is the weakness of Communism and old type Socialism, they are for themselves as Capitalism is today.
The way forward is division through unity, the concept that Socialists and Capitalists cannot exist alone, for as Capitalism will consume itself, Socialism will do the same each destroying themselves.
Capitalism needs people, Socialism needs money, only in unity can society develop and indeed become Socialist that is a society based on social well being. Capitalism services this Society and as it makes money it pays wages and taxes and will hopefully bring outside wealth in through the invisible sector. Generating re growth throughout society for all to share.
No Government since the post war Labour government, has considered the condition of the people in the slightest. There is no Social responsibility in Labour they are probably further right than many Conservatives.
Labour today is an abomination and a traitor to the working class from the bottom to the top it has lied and deceived us all as it destroyed this country, My country I feel I speak for many when I say "Just Go" we don't even care enough about you, to hate you, go. before we all have to say "Bye Bye" to our and our kids future.

If it were a straight choice between socialism (Marxism) or Capitalism then I'd choose socialism every time "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", if only...but It's not that simple is it. We have recently seen capitalism in action, greedy millionaire bankers who have for years been telling the government that intervention equals socialism and in a capitalist market place the financial industry will regulate and look after itself.

We are now in a situation where the tax payer is propping up these capitalist go getters, these greedy arrogant Gordon Gekko types who pour scorn on the very idea of regulation but show absolutely no shame in asking the government to bail them out with £billions of the "peoples" money. And then we are told they are the best financial brains in the business and deserve (in the case of RBS, a nationalised bank) £1.5 billion in bonuses, it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach and if this is capitalism I want socialism/Marxism/Communism any bloody ...ism but not capitalism.

Originally Posted by Red Rackham

If it were a straight choice between socialism (Marxism) or Capitalism then I'd choose socialism every time "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", if only...but It's not that simple is it. We have recently seen capitalism in action, greedy millionaire bankers who have for years been telling the government that intervention equals socialism and in a capitalist market place the financial industry will regulate and look after itself.

We are now in a situation where the tax payer is propping up these capitalist go getters, these greedy arrogant Gordon Gekko types who pour scorn on the very idea of regulation but show absolutely no shame in asking the government to bail them out with £billions of the "peoples" money. And then we are told they are the best financial brains in the business and deserve (in the case of RBS, a nationalised bank) £1.5 billion in bonuses, it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach and if this is capitalism I want socialism/Marxism/Communism any bloody ...ism but not capitalism.

If you take a subjective view of this then it becomes apparent that in both historical and practical terms no one theory will suffice. Marxism is both outdated, and too advanced, to be relevant at this time. The great leap forward will only come when Capitalism becomes conjoined with Socialism, the nation being united by virtue of the fact it is two separate halves each supporting the other in a structured and BALANCED fashion. The wealth generating power of capitalism coupled with society developing socialist principles.
The eradication of all political parties is a must as loyalty must only be to the country, and is not to be diluted or even diverted to party use. While the overall theme of government is of a socialist nature it must be prepared to protect the capitalist half against unreasonable or illegal attacks, while at the same time ensuring that it builds a "disaster fund" to enable it to survive on its own earnings in bad times. The government must reciprocate by cutting all non societal spending such as defence, foreign aid, EU contributions for example as well as probably hundreds more that will become apparent as we move forward. Only when we have built a strong Britain can we help nations around the world, if we do not stop giving now for a period of reconstruction and regeneration then eventually we will have nothing to give to anyone, EVER.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown MP could still call a General Election to be held before Easter:

Prime Minister Brown could this week call a General Election on 25.3.2010

What Paraleg says reminds me of when i first watch a documentary called "Zeitgiest the movie " ......my word i thought why isnt this being brought into action ........the best that a country can produce they said the world even ................i thought flippedy doo ..i'll have some of that .

That was until an interview with its maker by a critic ...said .............so what will happen in this new world of fine produce .....will we still have homes was asked ?

Get this ...Peter Jackson the maker of the film said " you will have somewhere to go when you want to be alone "

WWWWWHHHHOOOOOOOOOOO i said ....the film never said anything about that ................i've never believed in a utopia since lol i'll take the rythum of life and the love hate relationship of politics thankyou very much

These blokes dont know that ....an Englishmans home ....is his Castle