Thread: John McDonnell wrong re: Balls@Fabian. Police ARE to blame for weak economy

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I don't have an exact quote of what he said but the Labour MP John McDonnell was speaking on BBC News today in response to what Ed Balls was saying about he could not guarantee to reverse cuts in pay if he was Chancellor in a UK government or something.

John McDonnell was complaining that ordinary people who were not responsible were being asked to pay a price for an economic failure they did not cause.

I agreed with some of what John McDonnell was saying but when he was listing innocent ordinary workers he included in his list of innocents "the police"!

Sorry but the police are never innocent and they have to take a share of the blame for economic failure in my opinion.

I think John McDonnell is wrong to list the police as somehow innocent in terms of economic failure of the country, whether that country be Britain or Scotland.

I would say the police must take a large share of the blame because as the enforcers for the state they maintain the status quo, the mismanagement of the key economic institutions, such as universities.

So for example, if one of the Queen's stupid judges orders a talented scientist banned from a university or gagged from criticising a university (and such an order is highly likely to damage the economy) the police are the ones who are standing by to enforce that ban by locking up any person who defies a judge's court order.

So the police by assisting the judge to destroy academic freedom and civil liberties are assisting the judge to mismanage the economy are so the police as well as the judges are very much to blame.

The police and the courts are the major cause of a weaker Scottish and British economy than we otherwise could have.

I think paying the current police and judges who are allowed by the head of the state, the Queen, to do just about anything, no matter how foolish, no matter how much that wrecks the economy, paying them at all, for all the damage they do to people's lives and to the economy, is foolish. They should not be paid at all. They should be paying us back for all the damage they have cost.

We need huge change of the police and the courts which only a republican revolution and a good elected president could bring about before we could have police and courts that should be paid anything at all.

John McDonnell doesn't seem to have any idea how to strengthen the overall economy. He seems content with a weak economy and he just wants all workers, those doing a good job and those doing a bad job, paid more.

To be one of those annoying pedantic persons, I would say blame the CPS more, who regularly pursue worthless cases or throw out cases which are worth pursuing. It is their decision after, and not the police.

And again, with regards to judges, they can only rule as is set out in statutes, which are ultimately written and passed by MPs who in turn are voted in by us. So, I suppose, we are to blame for the economy on that front.

Originally Posted by owen25

To be one of those annoying pedantic persons,

You are wrong to assume pedantic persons are generally held to be "annoying".

I don't find pedantic persons who are being pedantic about something important to be annoying. If it is important it is worth getting it right.

My freedom is most important to me so I would much really prefer the state to be pedantic and therefore not arrest me, not jail me, because being pedantic about it, they had no good reason to deny me my freedom.

I'd prefer a pedantic state that respected my freedom and I am more than "annoyed" about the Queen's casual state that locks me up first then thinks about it later.

So please do be pedantic, delightfully so.

Originally Posted by owen25

I would say blame the CPS more, who regularly pursue worthless cases or throw out cases which are worth pursuing. It is their decision after, and not the police.

"decision after, .."?
Did you mean "after all" or "after the police send the prosecutor's office a report" or what? You seem to have missed something out and if you have, your error is in being not sufficiently pedantic about proof-reading your post.

I live in Scotland but we have our equivalent to your "Crown Prosecution Service" called the "Procurator Fiscal". Same difference.

I do blame the prosecutors a lot if not "more". When presented with a police report of an instance where the police have arrested an innocent person, the prosecutors should prosecute the police for wrongful arrest.

Originally Posted by owen25

And again, with regards to judges, they can only rule as is set out in statutes, which are ultimately written and passed by MPs who in turn are voted in by us. So, I suppose, we are to blame for the economy on that front.

Well my experience of the be-wigged fascists who rule us is that they can lock anyone up for any reason or for no good reason anyway. The judges can always find a plausible pretext (in the eyes of the police, and that is what matters) to lock anyone up.

All officers of the state ought to be accountable to the people for the way they do their job which means sacked by the people if they do a bad job.

Electing a president as head of state of a republic, a president who would sack bad police, bad prosecutors and bad judges, is the obvious way to bring the state to account.