why labour voters should vote ukip

GenghisChris · 21-05-2008, 02:43 PM

simple 0 and 0 (voluntarily)

I'll let you guys in on a part of my mindset that I tend to keep to myself as it does cause people to scream 'tight wad' or 'how dare you'

I don't believe in charity, never have never will. Why should it be expected of the general public to donate their money to charities like help the aged or the NSPCC. they both do great work I'm sure. BUT they are taking away key responcibilites of the government. If a neighbours kid is in trouble I won't call the nspcc I'll call social services. the people who are employed by the state to do the job.

Charity should be banned, its corporate begging and it has to stop

mkpdavies · 22-05-2008, 09:28 AM

So you are a socialist of the Champagne variety, who believes in redistribution of wealth, as long as it isn't your own.

Thanks for the clarification. You belong to a long distinguished list of people such as John Prescott, David Blunkett and Tony Blair.

John Connor · 22-05-2008, 03:18 PM

Thieving socialist barstewards.

Show me the contract I signed where it says I agree to participate in your protection racket. Show me the contract I signed where I agree to fund the kids of some woman I've never seen naked, much less bounced about on for a minute or two.

Socialism is oppression. Period.

Hal · 22-05-2008, 04:37 PM

Labour Party. How can it be that those two words are used so close together in the same sentence? I have done labouring and let me just say it was no party!

GenghisChris · 22-05-2008, 07:17 PM

hmm how about I come round and rip out all your eyes

wouldn't be fun for me but i might make you realise that some people NEED state help, some people are unable to work, or even afford to get their kids to the nearest school

the world is a **** place period. life tends to throw the majority of people nothing but cow pats, sure sometimes some of them are golden and if you can hold onto them good for you but odds are you wont ever see a golden ****

its ludicrous to think that a cleaner deserves any less for her 40 hour week than someone who shuffles worthless peices of paper around a desk all day, anyone who says so should be kicked firmly in the balls, you'll probably be seen by a nurse who though helping you get through your pain is still earning less than the national average.

Westcountryman · 22-05-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GenghisChris

simple 0 and 0 (voluntarily)

I'll let you guys in on a part of my mindset that I tend to keep to myself as it does cause people to scream 'tight wad' or 'how dare you'

I don't believe in charity, never have never will. Why should it be expected of the general public to donate their money to charities like help the aged or the NSPCC. they both do great work I'm sure. BUT they are taking away key responcibilites of the government. If a neighbours kid is in trouble I won't call the nspcc I'll call social services. the people who are employed by the state to do the job.

Charity should be banned, its corporate begging and it has to stop

Er, have you ever thought that the government is taking away key social responsibilities of the general public?

For example, policing the laws of the United Kingdom used to be the respsonsibility and duty of every person. Now, because the 'government' have taken over responsibility, most people don't bother.

Every time the government take over responsibility for an area, it effectively marks the abrogation of responsibility by the general population.

Not all of us need to be told how to live our lives by a nannying government, and not all of us believe such a system is desirable.

Westcountryman · 22-05-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GenghisChris

its ludicrous to think that a cleaner deserves any less for her 40 hour week than someone who shuffles worthless peices of paper around a desk all day, anyone who says so should be kicked firmly in the balls, you'll probably be seen by a nurse who though helping you get through your pain is still earning less than the national average.

Er, there's a big difference between a simple cleaner and a city banker. One cleans desks etc, one negotiates million pound deals.

People get paid according to the amount of responsibility they have. My line of work involves much more effort and entails far bigger responsibilities and risks than a simple cleaning job!

For example, if you paid everyone the same, where's the incentive to put all the hard work into being a doctor, when you can earn the same doing a cr*p job in a fast food restaurant?

mkpdavies · 22-05-2008, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenghisChris

hmm how about I come round and rip out all your eyes

wouldn't be fun for me but i might make you realise that some people NEED state help, some people are unable to work, or even afford to get their kids to the nearest school

the world is a **** place period. life tends to throw the majority of people nothing but cow pats, sure sometimes some of them are golden and if you can hold onto them good for you but odds are you wont ever see a golden ****

its ludicrous to think that a cleaner deserves any less for her 40 hour week than someone who shuffles worthless peices of paper around a desk all day, anyone who says so should be kicked firmly in the balls, you'll probably be seen by a nurse who though helping you get through your pain is still earning less than the national average.

That doesn't justify stealing, especially as you have demonstrated you lack of willingness to help yourself.

BonnieDundee · 23-05-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by John Connor

Thieving socialist barstewards.

Show me the contract I signed where it says I agree to participate in your protection racket. Show me the contract I signed where I agree to fund the kids of some woman I've never seen naked, much less bounced about on for a minute or two.

Socialism is oppression. Period.

And you had the audacity to accues me of being tiresome. This American style libertarian aggression which amounts to few arguments and alot of slogans is as tiresome as it gets, except perhaps Randites.

I support alot of what you say, it is just the idiotic way you put it.

John Connor · 23-05-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I support alot of what you say, it is just the idiotic way you put it.

Well, since I work 12+ hours per day I really don't have the time to be flowery and eloquent - so I go for the sharp punch in the face approach.

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John Connor Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Away for Summer Posts: 785 Party: None	Thieving socialist barstewards. Show me the contract I signed where it says I agree to participate in your protection racket. Show me the contract I signed where I agree to fund the kids of some woman I've never seen naked, much less bounced about on for a minute or two. Socialism is oppression. Period. __________________ There are three types of people in this world: Libertarians, fascists and those who haven't been paying attention. Russia: The largest tax haven on the planet. Which annoys the US a tad since they believe that they won the Cold War. Users on ignore list: Akria, Besoeker, Clippo, david H, Ian C.

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21-05-2008, 02:43 PM	#31 (permalink)
GenghisChris Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 56	simple 0 and 0 (voluntarily) I'll let you guys in on a part of my mindset that I tend to keep to myself as it does cause people to scream 'tight wad' or 'how dare you' I don't believe in charity, never have never will. Why should it be expected of the general public to donate their money to charities like help the aged or the NSPCC. they both do great work I'm sure. BUT they are taking away key responcibilites of the government. If a neighbours kid is in trouble I won't call the nspcc I'll call social services. the people who are employed by the state to do the job. Charity should be banned, its corporate begging and it has to stop

22-05-2008, 04:37 PM	#34 (permalink)
Hal Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Location: On beaches everywhere Posts: 9 Party: None	Labour Party. How can it be that those two words are used so close together in the same sentence? I have done labouring and let me just say it was no party!

22-05-2008, 07:17 PM	#35 (permalink)
GenghisChris Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 56	hmm how about I come round and rip out all your eyes wouldn't be fun for me but i might make you realise that some people NEED state help, some people are unable to work, or even afford to get their kids to the nearest school the world is a ** place period. life tends to throw the majority of people nothing but cow pats, sure sometimes some of them are golden and if you can hold onto them good for you but odds are you wont ever see a golden ** its ludicrous to think that a cleaner deserves any less for her 40 hour week than someone who shuffles worthless peices of paper around a desk all day, anyone who says so should be kicked firmly in the balls, you'll probably be seen by a nurse who though helping you get through your pain is still earning less than the national average.