Should a heavyweight take on Brown?

arden forester · 03-11-2006, 01:53 PM

It's being said that Gordon Brown may not face a proper contest. If this is so, then we all face a general election with a Scot virtually carpetbagging his way to Downing street. On the other hand many may vote against him because they don't want this to happen.

Would Labour do better with Alan Johnson or some other from England? :?

eublues · 03-11-2006, 01:57 PM

A coronation for Brown will make him more vulnerable when it comes to the general election.

mkpdavies · 03-11-2006, 02:02 PM

Personally I don't care what puppet they put in place.

I would imagine Brown would lose some votes in England for being Scottish, but an English man would lose some votes in Scotland for being English (and maybe Wales too).

However, he has this false image of being good amongst sheeple voters. The media has repeated the mantra of prudence often enough, that swaves of the gullable actually believe it.

Therefore if it is Brown, they will beat the Tories and demolish the Lib Dems.

End result = puppet in charge anyway.

Aardvark · 03-11-2006, 03:03 PM

At the next GE UKIP wll be led by the heavyweight Nigel Farage. Problem solved! :wink:

Britannist · 03-11-2006, 06:15 PM

Blair's Lie-bour Party don't have a heavyweight to stand against Brown.

I think that many people in the Lie-bour Party are afraid of backing someone in standing in a leadership contest against Gordon Brown because they fear it will anger Gordon Brown and reduce their chances of getting a job in a Cabinet led by him.

He would obviously have to offer his defeated opponent a job (the status of the job being linked to how well his opponent did) - but would be less likely to promote those who had backed the loser.

On the question of if Labour would do better in England if it had an English leader. BBC 2 Television's Newsnight did a poll of a panel of Labour voters on this two or three weeks ago. There was a sizeable minority who said that Gordon Brown being Scottish was "a problem" for them.

I've always said Labour (Lie-bour) is anti-English as a party and stand by that view. When did they last have an English leader representing an English constituency? The answer is over FOURTY YEARS AGO (Wilson in 1963).

Labour's appalling record for NOT picking English leaders goes like this:

1976 James Callaghan (Welsh constituency)
1980 Michael Foot (Welsh constituency)
1983 Neil Kinnock (claimed to be Welsh but the name is of Scottish origin - Welsh constituency)
1992 John Smith (Scottish and Scottish constituency)
1994 'Tony' Blair (Scottish ancestry but pretends to be English to get the south-east of England vote - English constituency)

And the next one will almost certainly be Scottish to (Brown - Reid if Brown unexpectedly failed to win Labour leadership).

arden forester · 03-11-2006, 07:23 PM

Callaghan was born in Portsmouth and an old school friend was amazed that Len CallaGan became Jim GallaHan just because he wanted to get into politics! :shock:
Neil Kinnock had a Scottish father who thought the Welsh pits would be more favourable to him than Scottish ones! 8)
Michael Foot was a Devon man from a longstanding upper middle class radical family.
Labour leaders nearly always seem to be out of step with the political times. Only Blair and Wilson seem to be otherwise!

FuroraCeltica · 05-11-2006, 04:18 PM

[quote="arden forester"]It's being said that Gordon Brown may not face a proper contest. If this is so, then we all face a general election with a Scot virtually carpetbagging his way to Downing street. On the other hand many may vote against him because they don't want this to happen.

Would Labour do better with Alan Johnson or some other from England? :?[/quote

Brown will comfortably win the Labour Party leadership election. He may face a semi-serious challenge from another Blairite, and/or a challenge from the Old Labour hard left. Either way he will win, but Labour's grip on power then will be dependent upon a strong chancellor taking his old job, and we now how seriously Labour take the chancellor's position

03-11-2006, 01:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,639 Party: None	Should a heavyweight take on Brown? It's being said that Gordon Brown may not face a proper contest. If this is so, then we all face a general election with a Scot virtually carpetbagging his way to Downing street. On the other hand many may vote against him because they don't want this to happen. Would Labour do better with Alan Johnson or some other from England? :?

03-11-2006, 02:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	Personally I don't care what puppet they put in place. I would imagine Brown would lose some votes in England for being Scottish, but an English man would lose some votes in Scotland for being English (and maybe Wales too). However, he has this false image of being good amongst sheeple voters. The media has repeated the mantra of prudence often enough, that swaves of the gullable actually believe it. Therefore if it is Brown, they will beat the Tories and demolish the Lib Dems. End result = puppet in charge anyway. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

03-11-2006, 06:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Anti-English Labour Blair's Lie-bour Party don't have a heavyweight to stand against Brown. I think that many people in the Lie-bour Party are afraid of backing someone in standing in a leadership contest against Gordon Brown because they fear it will anger Gordon Brown and reduce their chances of getting a job in a Cabinet led by him. He would obviously have to offer his defeated opponent a job (the status of the job being linked to how well his opponent did) - but would be less likely to promote those who had backed the loser. On the question of if Labour would do better in England if it had an English leader. BBC 2 Television's Newsnight did a poll of a panel of Labour voters on this two or three weeks ago. There was a sizeable minority who said that Gordon Brown being Scottish was "a problem" for them. I've always said Labour (Lie-bour) is anti-English as a party and stand by that view. When did they last have an English leader representing an English constituency? The answer is over FOURTY YEARS AGO (Wilson in 1963). Labour's appalling record for NOT picking English leaders goes like this: 1976 James Callaghan (Welsh constituency) 1980 Michael Foot (Welsh constituency) 1983 Neil Kinnock (claimed to be Welsh but the name is of Scottish origin - Welsh constituency) 1992 John Smith (Scottish and Scottish constituency) 1994 'Tony' Blair (Scottish ancestry but pretends to be English to get the south-east of England vote - English constituency) And the next one will almost certainly be Scottish to (Brown - Reid if Brown unexpectedly failed to win Labour leadership).

03-11-2006, 07:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,639 Party: None	Callaghan was born in Portsmouth and an old school friend was amazed that Len CallaGan became Jim GallaHan just because he wanted to get into politics! :shock: Neil Kinnock had a Scottish father who thought the Welsh pits would be more favourable to him than Scottish ones! 8) Michael Foot was a Devon man from a longstanding upper middle class radical family. Labour leaders nearly always seem to be out of step with the political times. Only Blair and Wilson seem to be otherwise! __________________ www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

05-11-2006, 04:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
FuroraCeltica Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 448	Re: Should a heavyweight take on Brown? [quote="arden forester"]It's being said that Gordon Brown may not face a proper contest. If this is so, then we all face a general election with a Scot virtually carpetbagging his way to Downing street. On the other hand many may vote against him because they don't want this to happen. Would Labour do better with Alan Johnson or some other from England? :?[/quote Brown will comfortably win the Labour Party leadership election. He may face a semi-serious challenge from another Blairite, and/or a challenge from the Old Labour hard left. Either way he will win, but Labour's grip on power then will be dependent upon a strong chancellor taking his old job, and we now how seriously Labour take the chancellor's position __________________ Every great movement must experience three stages: ridicule, discussion, adoption. John Stuart Mill One person with a belief is equal to ninety-nine who have only interests. Stuart Mill

03-11-2006, 01:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,951	A coronation for Brown will make him more vulnerable when it comes to the general election.

03-11-2006, 03:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,249	At the next GE UKIP wll be led by the heavyweight Nigel Farage. Problem solved! :wink:

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