'Grim Gordon' (Brown)

Britannist · 22-09-2006, 07:50 PM

The europhile pro-Labour and pro-Liberal Dim Guardian newspaper (22.9.2006) seems to have it in for the moderately eurosceptic Gordon Brown (Labour Chancellor and still the favourite to win the next Labour Party leadership contest):

Guardian/ICM poll result (conducted by telephone 19th-20th September, 2006, 1006 people):

Voting intentions (if a General Election were held now):

Conservative 36
Labour 32 (up 1%)
Liberal Dims 22 (no change)
* Labour support has been on 31%-32% in four of the last six Guardian/ICM polls

70% say “It’s time for a change”

Only 23% agree with the statement “Continuity is important – stick with Labour”.

Who is the most honest?
Cameron 27%. Brown 19%.

Who has the most potential as Prime Minister?
Cameron 35%. Brown 32%.

Who would be best able to make decision when the going gets tough?
Brown 32%. Cameron 25%.

Who is likely to have the more pleasant personality?
Cameron 52%. Brown 17%.

Who is most likely to stab a colleague in the back?
Cameron 12%. Brown 35%.

Who is the most likely to take the UK in the right direction?
Cameron 31%. Brown 26%.

Who is the most likely to be able to work with Cabinet colleagues?
Cameron 39%. Brown 22%.

Who has the most enthusiasm for the job of Prime Minister?
Cameron 37. Brown 25%.

Is either arrogant?
Cameron 15%. Brown 36%.

* Here are some of the things people have said about Labour since the General Election – Do you agree or disagree?

The Labour Government has run out of steam
Agree 64%. Disagree 33%.

On the basis of their performance, they (Labour) don’t deserve to win the next Election.
Agree 62%. Disagree 31%.

Generally speaking, they (Labour) are taking the country in the right direction.
Agree 35%. Disagree 60%.

Labour are now more divided than the Conservatives were when they were in power.
Agree 69%. Disagree 23%.

** The London Evening Standard reported on 22.9.2006 that a Populus poll for Andrew Neil’s ‘Daily Politics’ programme on BBC 2 Television on 21.9.2006 said that 79% of respondents thought Gordon Brown was just as responsible for the Iraq ‘war’ as Blair.

60% said Gordon Brown has failed to make himself more likeable or charismatic and in touch with ordinary people.

*** Fergus Shanahan, columnist, wrote in the Sun newspaper edition of 22.9.2006 that the Labour Government Chancellor, Gordon Brown, should be called “Grim Gordon”.

spaman · 26-09-2006, 10:06 AM

All of these polls Brown v Cameron forget one thing......... Brown won't have to face a general election to become pm....

So, brown will have some time to persuade us all what a wonderful guy he is, and isn't the country doing great - if people can't see through this sham as it stands, right now, who is to say that with a brand new pm, all shiney and fresh, he won't go onto pull a fast one on cameron...

Call me a sceptic, but I can't help think......... bearing in mind the labour lies, spin and outright treachery of the last - is it only... 9 years - I really would not put it past these infidels to have stage managed this whole thing "Will Brown be next PM, when will blair go"

I see it as a circus - every day they create things to keep blair in the news... its useful for the believers to see him often, it reassures them..... labour have followed the likes of the saudi Arabian royalty, who publish what the king had for breakfast and who is coming to pay homage... It's all a setup... a stage act

It's a fairly common thing where a party has been in power for some years, that its popularity will wane...... and the only way around that is constant positive news... when that palls, intersperse it with controversy - will he won't he?...... did they argue.... violent row even..?

Labour have created a situation where they can't lose - expected not to win the next election, they create the idea that labour will be reborn with a new leader, and all of that nasty stuff that happened with blair will be forgotten and forgiven

.......exit blair stage left, stage right the brand new pm comes on - and the labour dream continues......... while the rest of us want to throw up and leave the country

Horror story perhaps.... but I believe this is what will happen unless Cameron suddenly turns into an alternative leader

22-09-2006, 07:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	'Grim Gordon' (Brown) - voters not impressed says poll The europhile pro-Labour and pro-Liberal Dim Guardian newspaper (22.9.2006) seems to have it in for the moderately eurosceptic Gordon Brown (Labour Chancellor and still the favourite to win the next Labour Party leadership contest): Guardian/ICM poll result (conducted by telephone 19th-20th September, 2006, 1006 people): Voting intentions (if a General Election were held now): Conservative 36 Labour 32 (up 1%) Liberal Dims 22 (no change) * Labour support has been on 31%-32% in four of the last six Guardian/ICM polls 70% say “It’s time for a change” Only 23% agree with the statement “Continuity is important – stick with Labour”. Who is the most honest? Cameron 27%. Brown 19%. Who has the most potential as Prime Minister? Cameron 35%. Brown 32%. Who would be best able to make decision when the going gets tough? Brown 32%. Cameron 25%. Who is likely to have the more pleasant personality? Cameron 52%. Brown 17%. Who is most likely to stab a colleague in the back? Cameron 12%. Brown 35%. Who is the most likely to take the UK in the right direction? Cameron 31%. Brown 26%. Who is the most likely to be able to work with Cabinet colleagues? Cameron 39%. Brown 22%. Who has the most enthusiasm for the job of Prime Minister? Cameron 37. Brown 25%. Is either arrogant? Cameron 15%. Brown 36%. * Here are some of the things people have said about Labour since the General Election – Do you agree or disagree? The Labour Government has run out of steam Agree 64%. Disagree 33%. On the basis of their performance, they (Labour) don’t deserve to win the next Election. Agree 62%. Disagree 31%. Generally speaking, they (Labour) are taking the country in the right direction. Agree 35%. Disagree 60%. Labour are now more divided than the Conservatives were when they were in power. Agree 69%. Disagree 23%. The London Evening Standard reported on 22.9.2006 that a Populus poll for Andrew Neil’s ‘Daily Politics’ programme on BBC 2 Television on 21.9.2006 said that 79% of respondents thought Gordon Brown was just as responsible for the Iraq ‘war’ as Blair. 60% said Gordon Brown has failed to make himself more likeable or charismatic and in touch with ordinary people. * Fergus Shanahan, columnist, wrote in the Sun newspaper edition of 22.9.2006 that the Labour Government Chancellor, Gordon Brown, should be called “Grim Gordon”.

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26-09-2006, 10:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
spaman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 874	All of these polls Brown v Cameron forget one thing......... Brown won't have to face a general election to become pm.... So, brown will have some time to persuade us all what a wonderful guy he is, and isn't the country doing great - if people can't see through this sham as it stands, right now, who is to say that with a brand new pm, all shiney and fresh, he won't go onto pull a fast one on cameron... Call me a sceptic, but I can't help think......... bearing in mind the labour lies, spin and outright treachery of the last - is it only... 9 years - I really would not put it past these infidels to have stage managed this whole thing "Will Brown be next PM, when will blair go" I see it as a circus - every day they create things to keep blair in the news... its useful for the believers to see him often, it reassures them..... labour have followed the likes of the saudi Arabian royalty, who publish what the king had for breakfast and who is coming to pay homage... It's all a setup... a stage act It's a fairly common thing where a party has been in power for some years, that its popularity will wane...... and the only way around that is constant positive news... when that palls, intersperse it with controversy - will he won't he?...... did they argue.... violent row even..? Labour have created a situation where they can't lose - expected not to win the next election, they create the idea that labour will be reborn with a new leader, and all of that nasty stuff that happened with blair will be forgotten and forgiven .......exit blair stage left, stage right the brand new pm comes on - and the labour dream continues......... while the rest of us want to throw up and leave the country Horror story perhaps.... but I believe this is what will happen unless Cameron suddenly turns into an alternative leader