Thread: The Jury Team

wouldnt life be boring if everyone agreed with each other

ive had a look at your profile Andromeda and our opinions just dont match however im a bit out of kilter with most of the posters here and im sure what your saying would resonate for the majority of the forum

in saying that ive had a look at everyones profile in your region and they all seem to be a little right of the wing. I dont know if there is a reason why people who vear to the right would rather not join a party or there is another reason

Huh! Who on the London list is more "right-wing" than me?

It actually doesn't matter what my view is on particular issues, you know. As long as you are happy with the idea of direct democracy, ie government by referenda, and you are a democrat, then you would have to agree that everything that is contentious is to be resolved by voting.

So, if you didn't agree with the death penalty, you would still be OK about having a referendum on it and accepting the result, wouldn't you?

Or would you want to forbid referenda on issues whose results you think will go against your views?

But thank you for saying that my views would chime in well with most people here!

Candidate Profile View Candidates Politics Without Parties JURY TEAM

Originally Posted by Andromeda

It actually doesn't matter what my view is on particular issues, you know. As long as you are happy with the idea of direct democracy, ie government by referenda, and you are a democrat, then you would have to agree that everything that is contentious is to be resolved by voting.

So, if you didn't agree with the death penalty, you would still be OK about having a referendum on it and accepting the result, wouldn't you?

Or would you want to forbid referenda on issues whose results you think will go against your views?



Candidate Profile View Candidates Politics Without Parties JURY TEAM

referendums are an interesting idea but can pose problems for example in california see below

. He accepted that people could hold two contradictory opinions at the same time and that this could result in the sort of problem generated by referendums in California, with people voting to increase public expenditure in one referendum and for tax cuts in another.

.

now lets take the death penelty, lets say referendum which reintroduces the death penelty all fair enough until the first time there is an miscarridge of justice another refernendum is created due to the public outcry and by that time public opinion has changed and the law is overturned that sort of knee jerk reaction and changing laws based purly on mood of the nation isnt the best way of working

referendums do have thier place but not on that subject in my opinion

also lets look at another country with referendums swizerland they have thier own problems

On Swiss referendums, David Butler noted that they generated some of the lowest turnouts in the world

not great for democracy if people dont feel an issue is important enough to vote on

although like i said referendums have thier place so do parliments its an interesting discussion though ....

Originally Posted by scotgirl

referendums are an interesting idea but can pose problems for example in california see below

.

now lets take the death penelty, lets say referendum which reintroduces the death penelty all fair enough until the first time there is an miscarridge of justice another refernendum is created due to the public outcry and by that time public opinion has changed and the law is overturned that sort of knee jerk reaction and changing laws based purly on mood of the nation isnt the best way of working

referendums do have thier place but not on that subject in my opinion

also lets look at another country with referendums swizerland they have thier own problems



not great for democracy if people dont feel an issue is important enough to vote on

although like i said referendums have thier place so do parliments its an interesting discussion though ....

If people pursue a particular course of action and it hurts, they vote to stop doing it and do something else.

Under the present system a policy may hurt us all but we have no choice but to grin and bear it, because our leaders say it is good for us, or so they say.

Are you really OK with that?

Anyway, what problems do the Swiss have?

If people aren't bothered one way or another about something, then why force them to vote?

What would be the point of forcing someone to vote either Tory or Labour, when we already know the policies are going to be the same?

People just give up when they know that whatever they do, they will still get the same thing. That is what's happening now.

Now THAT'S not good for democracy!

how would under the referendum method deal with the issue california had which was to increase spending but cut taxes ?

another california example. allowed same sex marridge and then a while later disallowed it so those couples who got married perfectly legally while they could are thier legal at the time marridges now invalid?

countrys cant go flip flopping thier rules based on what the sun newspaper or this weeks big story is.

in that case you might as well just do away with westminster altogether and you aslo need to solve the issues of wanting differnt things that are completly oppoisite

i keep saying this referendums have thier place but on other matters we voted for who we voted and if we dont like it we can vote them out again

im far more in favor of changing the voting system to make sure that other parties have a fair crack at getting seats and by changing the voting system you might get more people to vote

the biggest reason by far in my area is that people dont vote here because "labour always get it " make the system more fair you get people voting for what they really want rather than voting a labour to keep the tories out or tory to keep the lib dem out

and are you really happy with the idea of killing a few people who were not guilty of the crime they were killed for ? and then and only then changing the system back anyway

Originally Posted by Andromeda

Thanks, Danny. I hope I can rely on your vote. I can't BELIEVE I am saying things like this!

As they say at Tesco, EVERY LITTLE HELPS.

The two candidates with the most votes so far are men. Neck and neck at the moment are an Iranian and a South African Jew, and they are WAY AHEAD ....

I insist that you all have a look at their policies to see if you prefer theirs, before voting for me, if you are even thinking of voting for me at all ....


Candidate Profile View Candidates Politics Without Parties JURY TEAM

Just texted you a vote hope it helps.

Here's the comments of the genius standing for the jury team in Wales Brian Keen..as printed in the Wales on Sunday Spin doctor column today....


Here's his scholarly take on the European Union's economy... " Obviously I don't know the details of how the European cake is divided up at present, but I have read enough about things to know that at present the cake seems to be cut up to favour countries like France and Germany"


He pulls no punches with his views on the European project as a whole....." I'm not sure if I am a little bit of an anti when it comes to Europe"



Powerful stuff and we imagine the established parties are already looking over their shoulders.



(These are extracts from the actual column, the whole piece just ripped the p*** out of the unfortunate Mr Keen)