Good morning all

Hartlepool · 17-02-2008, 01:19 PM

Wow,quite surprised about that.

Andrew Constantine · 17-02-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

Wow,quite surprised about that.

You two are silly boys, aren't you! You clearly have lots of time on your hands. Question: why do not something useful with your spare time?

mkpdavies · 17-02-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

You two are silly boys, aren't you! You clearly have lots of time on your hands. Question: why do not something useful with your spare time?

Oooooooh, touched a raw nerve have we Andrew?

Or is it really Donald?

Tombstone · 17-02-2008, 02:08 PM

I have to admit that the family originally come from celtic stock, but I can also claim that I have a truly English surname. It was changed to distinguish it from the Scottish version when the clan moved south after fighting for the English [after finding themselves rather unwelcome at home for some strange reason].

Percentage · 17-02-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone

1. I am neither English, Brit or anything else. I am from Yorkshire

That's good enough for me!

Tombstone · 17-02-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

You two are silly boys, aren't you! You clearly have lots of time on your hands. Question: why do not something useful with your spare time?

Might not be a waste of time. Just might be a bit of Merovingian dynasty there. If so welcome to the family of the Royal House of Stewart.

Just wondering if the Jacobites stopped at Sheffield on their way to Derby.

mkpdavies · 17-02-2008, 02:29 PM

This history of British people fascinates me. I have a full mixture of English, Scots, Welsh, but no Irish that I can find in me. It's why I feel Britsh, more than I do English really.

Looks like the Constantine line ruled again in Scotland too.

Constantine II of Scotland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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His reign, like those of his predecessors, was dominated by the actions of Viking rulers in Britain and Ireland, particularly the Uí Ímair ("the grandsons of Ímar", or Ivar the Boneless). During Constantine's reign the rulers of the southern kingdoms of Wessex and Mercia, later the kingdom of England, extended their authority northwards into the disputed kingdoms of Northumbria. At first allied with the southern rulers against the Vikings, Constantine in time came into conflict with them. King Æthelstan was successful in securing Constantine's submission in 927 and 934, but the two again fought when Constantine, allied with the Strathclyde Britons and the Viking king of Dublin, invaded Æthelstan's kingdom in 937, only to be defeated at the great battle of Brunanburh. In 943 Constantine abdicated and retired to the Céli Dé (Culdee) monastery of St Andrews where he died in 952. He was succeeded by his predecessor's son Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill).
Constantine's reign of 43 years, exceeded in Scotland only by that of King William the Lion before the Union of the Crowns in 1603, is believed to have played a defining part in the gaelicisation of Pictland in which his patronage of the Irish Céli Dé monastic reformers was a significant factor. During his reign the words "Scots" and "Scotland" (Old English: Scottas, Scotland) are first used to mean part of what is now Scotland. The earliest evidence for the ecclesiastical and administrative institutions which would last until Davidian Revolution also appears at this time.
His reign, like those of his predecessors, was dominated by the actions of Viking rulers in Britain and Ireland, particularly the Uí Ímair ("the grandsons of Ímar", or Ivar the Boneless). During Constantine's reign the rulers of the southern kingdoms of Wessex and Mercia, later the kingdom of England, extended their authority northwards into the disputed kingdoms of Northumbria. At first allied with the southern rulers against the Vikings, Constantine in time came into conflict with them. King Æthelstan was successful in securing Constantine's submission in 927 and 934, but the two again fought when Constantine, allied with the Strathclyde Britons and the Viking king of Dublin, invaded Æthelstan's kingdom in 937, only to be defeated at the great battle of Brunanburh. In 943 Constantine abdicated and retired to the Céli Dé (Culdee) monastery of St Andrews where he died in 952. He was succeeded by his predecessor's son Malcolm I (Máel Coluim mac Domnaill).
Constantine's reign of 43 years, exceeded in Scotland only by that of King William the Lion before the Union of the Crowns in 1603, is believed to have played a defining part in the gaelicisation of Pictland in which his patronage of the Irish Céli Dé monastic reformers was a significant factor. During his reign the words "Scots" and "Scotland" (Old English: Scottas, Scotland) are first used to mean part of what is now Scotland. The earliest evidence for the ecclesiastical and administrative institutions which would last until Davidian Revolution also appears at this time.

So he was buddies with England against the Vikings, but turned against them later, when the English moved up North.

Constantine I of Scotland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Constantine, son of Cináed (Mediaeval Gaelic: Causantín mac Cináeda; Modern Gaelic: Còiseam mac Choinnich), known in most modern regnal lists as Constantine I[1], nicknamed An Finn-Shoichleach, "The Wine-Bountiful"[2] (d.877) was a son of Kennneth MacAlpin (Cináed mac Ailpín). Although tradition makes Constantine and his father King of Scots, it is clear from the entries in the Chronicle of the Kings of Alba and the Annals of Ulster, that he was, like his father, king of the Picts. He became king in 862 on the death of his uncle Donald MacAlpin (Domnall mac Ailpín).

If I was Andrew, I'd look into whether his family has any claim this Royal Scottish heritage. He could be due some of that Scottish wealth, by birthright!

Hartlepool · 17-02-2008, 05:12 PM

I'm upset now Andrew.

I'll have to take two Phensics to remove the stress and tension of the moment brought on by your last post.

mkpdavies · 17-02-2008, 05:21 PM

Tombstone gave us a good account on why a family could turn its back on a country, unroots and settle where they are more welcome.

I'd love to find out why the Constantine line have ditched their Scottish heritage, which was even ROYAL Scottish, to come down here to England and not only settle here, but activley see Scotland as the enemy. When you think their Royal ancestors were fighting side by side with the English, then against the English, the turn around for their decendents to be fighting FOR the English is incredible. Or at least part of the line, there may still be many Constantines fighting for their homeland.

mkpdavies · 17-02-2008, 05:32 PM

Bit more digging.

MARTYR CONSTANTINE OF CORNWALL - A Holy Orthodox Saint of Britain

May be English afterall! This from 576, before the Constatines ruled in Scotland.

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Coming to a certain monastery, for seven years he worked humbly carrying grain to and from the monastery mill. One day he was sitting in the mill and said to himself; "Am I Constantine, king of Cornwall, whose head has so often worn the helmet and his body the breastplate? No, I am not." A man who was hiding in the mill overheard this and reported it to the abbot.
He then took him away from the mill, educated him, and raised him to the priesthood. Soon after this, he left the monastery and went to St. Columba; and afterwards he was sent by St. Kentigern, the bishop of Glasgow, to preach the word of God in Galloway, in South-West Scotland. There he was elected abbot of a monastery, where he lived a holy life until old age. According to another tradition, he founded a monastery at Govan on the Clyde. In his extreme old age, St. Constantine prayed God to give him a martyr's death, and he heard a voice from heaven saying that it should be as he had asked. Then he went preaching the word of God throughout the land, and came eventually to the island of Kintyre. There some evil men followed him, and, coming up to his attendant, they cut off his hand. The saint immediately healed him with a touch.
Then the evil men showered blows upon the saint, cut off his arm, and left him for dead. Calling the brethren to him, the saint comforted them with spiritual words. Then he fell asleep in their presence. St. Constantine was martyred, according to the Scottish tradition, in 576, and according to the Irish tradition in 588; and his feastday is March 9 in Wales and Cornwall, March 11 in Scotland and March 18 in Ireland.

Going on history, the Constantines really have had a love hate relationship with England and Scotland.

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17-02-2008, 01:19 PM	#21 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,574	Wow,quite surprised about that.

17-02-2008, 02:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
Tombstone Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12	I have to admit that the family originally come from celtic stock, but I can also claim that I have a truly English surname. It was changed to distinguish it from the Scottish version when the clan moved south after fighting for the English [after finding themselves rather unwelcome at home for some strange reason].

17-02-2008, 05:12 PM	#28 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,574	I'm upset now Andrew. I'll have to take two Phensics to remove the stress and tension of the moment brought on by your last post.