TannyD

Hiya I am TannyD, I am tired of weak politicians letting Europe take advantage of our once great country and the open gate concerning illegal immigrants and the huge influx of migrant workers.

First found this place through wap and it made interesting reading.

I hope for some meaningful and enlightening discussions.

I hope I will be made welcome here.

harryaldridge

A warm welcome to the forum.

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Akria

Welcome. Sadly, I think you will fit right in here.

A question: what does it matter of our nation's 'greatness'?
There is much more to the world than Britain alone.

Patriotism now strikes me as odd, after several years of being a patriot. What does it celebrate other than an arbitrary division of resources in an attempt to make government easier and more effective?

Migrant workers are not by necessity bad - indeed, they contribute much to the economy and often take jobs which Britons deign to be below them.
Nor are illegal immigrants by necessity bad; they are merely immigrants with the added attribute of not having come here legally, and nothing makes the law necessarily moral.

Ultimately it comes down to how resources, including people, are managed. If the additional supplies of the fundamental resource, labour, provided by immigrants is not used and managed effectively, then and only then is immigration bad - and even then it is not right to judge the immigrant, but instead those who manage the system.

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steve fowler

Welcome to the forum.

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TannyD

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I know that there is much more to the world that Britain, but naturally it is a big issue for me as I live there.

As for patriotism I was just saying, I am not one of those overly-patriotic, Britain obsessed peoples.

I do know that migrant workers aren't bad, it's the Government that is really at fault for allowing the number of them in and partly the media for showing footage of coach loads of them coming here.

Thanks for for your comments, I will bear them in mind.

TannyD

yeah thanks for the welcom, pfft...

Akria

The best thing for humanity as a whole is, ultimately, the best thing for yourself - regardless of which nation you happen to live in.

Let us take a situation where Britain can improve its own economy or the economy of a less developed nation.
If we improve our own economy, we are improving the lives of a people who live a Western lifestyle - we are the privileged humans who are largely in no struggle to survive; we struggle for luxuries such as television, Internet access and the cinema, perhaps, but not food, shelter or water.
The global economy goes up slightly and we have improved our own, already privileged lives.
The less developed nation benefits relatively little from the global economic boost because it doesn't have an existing economy capable of utilising the benefits. Their people remain hungry.

If we improve their economy, then the global economy goes up as well - but not only do we benefit from the global economic boost but so do they, as they now have an economy capable of utilising the benefits. We become slightly more privileged and they are considerably less hungry.

Patriotism would normally forego the second option because there is no direct benefit for our nation - but rational and moral thought would support it because there is an indirect benefit for all, in addition to a direct benefit for the less developed nation.

The second option also benefits trade both for ourselves and others, reduces migration (a good thing if your system needs time to improve its management of resources), would likely reduce any tensions in the region and at home (the former due to less bickering over resources with other nations, the latter between the State and pressure groups) and could also conceivably improve the humanitarian position of the other nation.

Sorry about the less than welcoming welcome. I'll try it again.
Welcome to the forum. Hope you have a good time.

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Hartlepool

As usual,too late Akria,looks like tannD has gone,dont know if its because you insulted them or they just got bored with reading your posts.

tito

What a load of rubbish!
What's good for me is what's good for me. There is no greater good, and there is no deed that can better "humanity".

Amazon.co.uk: The Virtue of Selfishness: Books:...
How do you intend to "improve the economies" of other nations?
Hint: The ends don't justify the means, especially when theft is the means.

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Akria

How pleasant.

Your argument behind the assertion that there is no such deed?

Investment in the construction of an efficient and modern infrastructure, for one.
Theft? What theft?

And when did I suggest that the end justified the means?

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