Joined UKIP. Broadly a Conservative but mainly a Yorkshire Independent

yorkshireindependent · 22-12-2007, 01:08 PM

I have joined UKIP from the Conservative Party , which I left in June 2007.

I left the Conservative Party and I’m giving UKIP a try because, despite their current Poll leads, I believe the Conservatives are dying as a political force outside of the south-east of England. They are irrelevant in Yorkshire. We need something else now – I hope it can be UKIP.

I despair at the current political situation. It seems to me that political parties in this country are dominated by 3 categories of people :

Category 1 : ‘Blazer and tie’ wearing bullying bigots and ‘Colonel Blimp’ types who just want to turn the clock back 50 years. Also Public School Eton types who mainly work in Marketing and Public Relations.

Category 2: Skinheads, Boot Boys and Football Hooligan types.

Category 3: Obnoxious middle class do-gooders and trendy lawyers

I am not a conventional Conservative. I have a sense of humour, I am creative, I like a drink, I like rock music and I like going to pubs. Show me a party with a message of real change , dominated by professionals, scientists , engineers and IT people. If I can’t find that soon I will probably leave this country.

I now regard the Conservatives as just another spin dominated centre bloc party. A Conservative General election victory would not at all be welcome.

However - I was a Conservative Candidate from the 2006 & 2007 Harrogate District local elections, and I still stand by everything I have ever said in any leaflet – mainly because it focused really on local issues. I remember in particular attacking Labour’s disgraceful environmental vandalism which I still vehemently oppose now.

I am based in North Yorkshire, and I have my own Political Blog, which features the 6 letters I have had published in the Yorkshire Post this year.

In my opinion, there’s not a single problem happening these days that can’t be traced back to Conservative policy in the 1980s. They are all 1980s Conservative screw ups that Labour are failing to correct. I’m sick of Labour – but I don’t want the Tories back.

Northern Rock etc.: A lot of associated issues here. Blame this on Labour ? No - it only became a Bank due to Conservative de-regulation in the 1980s. It should have remained a Building Society.

And just look at the 57 Billion NL are now pumping into this institution. When the mining industry needed help in the 1980s we were told by the then Conservative Government that the mines were not economically viable. So we stopped burning British Coal and went on a short term ‘Dash for Gas’, even though coal reserves would have lasted perhaps a further 200 years. There’s one law for financial services, and one law for industry, it seems.
As North Sea reserves are run down, we are likely to end up importing most of our energy needs within 10-15 years.

In fact, the real problem is we basically import virtually everything these days – as evidenced by our record Balance of Payments deficit.

We all seem to have been sold the idea that we needn’t make things. The problem is, this has produced a workforce that believes ‘detail’ and ‘preciseness’ is always someone else’s problem. We only seem to produce middle managers and Marketing, Recruitment and Public Relations specialists these days. The rigours and disciplines of Engineering and Science are simply not present in our Service Industries.

Flooding etc: Following the recent catastrophic flooding in Yorkshire, surely we can now see the folly of Conservative privatisation of the Water Industry. There’s obviously not been sufficient investment in drainage for years as (mostly foreign) shareholders cream off the profits.

Private companies simply won’t make the kind of huge investment required in our infrastructure, unless they are coerced into doing so through some increased form of regulation. The openness of the UK corporate sector to foreign ownership may be ok for some industries, but not where essential utilities are concerned.

We have a weak infrastructure that needs investing in. For instance, commuting to work on our congested road network has become a nightmare and is an obstacle to seeking work outside your immediate area. I’m all for focusing on enterprise and the work ethic. But anyone who runs a business knows, you can’t function at all without an effective infrastructure around you.

Housebuilding and Immigration : The proposal for half a million new houses in Yorkshire is largely the result of the Conservatives taking us into the EU. We have surrendered control of our borders to the EU and are now destroying our countryside in our attempts to find room for the resulting immigration.

Political Correctness: I am utterly opposed to politically correct ‘Health Fascist’ legislation like the Blanket smoking ban. It’s yet another example of EU driven nonsense. I was very upset to hear the Conservatives supported this. A smoking room and extractor fans would take the ‘risk’ of passive smoking down from infinitesimal to nought. In other EU countries such as Spain, bars which don’t serve food are exempt from the ban.

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C_steam · 25-12-2007, 06:58 PM

Fully agree with the majority of your comments. However, I suspect UKIP might not be for you in view of your category 1 comment.

But stick around......

Welcome!

harryaldridge · 26-12-2007, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_steam

Fully agree with the majority of your comments. However, I suspect UKIP might not be for you in view of your category 1 comment.

Huh? Not representative of most members I will have you know.

yorkshireindependent - I agree with your first half but not with your second half. But that is really irrelevant. Politics should be about different ideas and opinions, the problem is that our politics is not anymore. Until we can stat governing our own country again, and kick out the present political class, none of our opinons matter. Only the opinions of our self-appointed masters matter.

C_steam · 26-12-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harryaldridge

Huh? Not representative of most members I will have you know.

but enough to matter.

mkpdavies · 27-12-2007, 10:18 AM

It's pretty hard finding a party that you agree with everything on.

Only you know what your core principles are and which party best matches them.

David Agnew · 27-12-2007, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkshireindependent

Category 1 : ‘Blazer and tie’ wearing bullying bigots and ‘Colonel Blimp’ types who just want to turn the clock back 50 years. Also Public School Eton types who mainly work in Marketing and Public Relations.

Category 2: Skinheads, Boot Boys and Football Hooligan types.

Category 3: Obnoxious middle class do-gooders and trendy lawyers

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Welcome.

It seems to me that you have a caricatured view of British politics. You are partially correct, Westiminster is dominated by Category 3 (Incidentally the 'public school and Eton types' belong in Category 3).

Categories 1 & 2 do not exist (at least not as political forces).

I like to think that UKIP represents normal people who don't fit into any of the above categories.

yorkshireindependent · 27-12-2007, 05:23 PM

Thanks for all your replies - (I thought you would ignore me at first!) I was probably being a bit mischievous with my 'category' bit. There are obviously more types than that - but unfortunately such types do tend to dominate. It’s up to reasonable people who are 'down to earth' to get involved and make politics something that ordinary people feel comfortable with.

As you say - there are no perfect parties. I suppose I'm probably saying I don't like snobs.

I actually think I will grow to like UKIP because it is against political correctness and it's also against IR35 (a tax which affects small businesses).

I am hoping it’s the kind of party that lives up to it’s name by allowing people a bit of individuality & freedom within the party.

A Happy New Year and lets hope UKIP can make a breakthrough in 2008!

David Agnew · 28-12-2007, 10:48 AM

Happy New Year to you too.

There is a category that you didn't mention, that is a significant force in British politics: the psuedo-nationalists (for example the SNP who want to turn their country into a Euro-region, answerable to Brussels).

ukpopdems · 28-12-2007, 10:58 AM

If you really want to catch the new wave of change, yorkshire independent, then you should look at UKpopdems - Popular Democrats.

UKpopdems is a new party pushing for the implementation of an empowered, participative democracy, where local communities and individuals have more power to decide what is important to them, and the government has less power to implement damaging and elitist legislation that limits personal freedom.

Look at the work of the think tank INVOLVE and other political researchers and you'll see there's a big push to move away from old style controlling governments to one where politicians are the true servants of the people, which is what they should be, rather than masters of the people.

UKpopdems is the first of these new wave parties. Have a look on
ukpopdems.org.uk

harryaldridge · 28-12-2007, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkshireindependent

I actually think I will grow to like UKIP because it is against political correctness and it's also against IR35 (a tax which affects small businesses).

Spot on. IR35 is a disgusting piece of tax legislation. It raises pitiful sums but hits independent contractors very hard. When will the government stop punishing those striving for a better life?

22-12-2007, 01:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
yorkshireindependent Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 22	Joined UKIP. Broadly a Conservative but mainly a Yorkshire Independent I have joined UKIP from the Conservative Party , which I left in June 2007. I left the Conservative Party and I’m giving UKIP a try because, despite their current Poll leads, I believe the Conservatives are dying as a political force outside of the south-east of England. They are irrelevant in Yorkshire. We need something else now – I hope it can be UKIP. I despair at the current political situation. It seems to me that political parties in this country are dominated by 3 categories of people : Category 1 : ‘Blazer and tie’ wearing bullying bigots and ‘Colonel Blimp’ types who just want to turn the clock back 50 years. Also Public School Eton types who mainly work in Marketing and Public Relations. Category 2: Skinheads, Boot Boys and Football Hooligan types. Category 3: Obnoxious middle class do-gooders and trendy lawyers I am not a conventional Conservative. I have a sense of humour, I am creative, I like a drink, I like rock music and I like going to pubs. Show me a party with a message of real change , dominated by professionals, scientists , engineers and IT people. If I can’t find that soon I will probably leave this country. I now regard the Conservatives as just another spin dominated centre bloc party. A Conservative General election victory would not at all be welcome. However - I was a Conservative Candidate from the 2006 & 2007 Harrogate District local elections, and I still stand by everything I have ever said in any leaflet – mainly because it focused really on local issues. I remember in particular attacking Labour’s disgraceful environmental vandalism which I still vehemently oppose now. I am based in North Yorkshire, and I have my own Political Blog, which features the 6 letters I have had published in the Yorkshire Post this year. In my opinion, there’s not a single problem happening these days that can’t be traced back to Conservative policy in the 1980s. They are all 1980s Conservative screw ups that Labour are failing to correct. I’m sick of Labour – but I don’t want the Tories back. Northern Rock etc.: A lot of associated issues here. Blame this on Labour ? No - it only became a Bank due to Conservative de-regulation in the 1980s. It should have remained a Building Society. And just look at the 57 Billion NL are now pumping into this institution. When the mining industry needed help in the 1980s we were told by the then Conservative Government that the mines were not economically viable. So we stopped burning British Coal and went on a short term ‘Dash for Gas’, even though coal reserves would have lasted perhaps a further 200 years. There’s one law for financial services, and one law for industry, it seems. As North Sea reserves are run down, we are likely to end up importing most of our energy needs within 10-15 years. In fact, the real problem is we basically import virtually everything these days – as evidenced by our record Balance of Payments deficit. We all seem to have been sold the idea that we needn’t make things. The problem is, this has produced a workforce that believes ‘detail’ and ‘preciseness’ is always someone else’s problem. We only seem to produce middle managers and Marketing, Recruitment and Public Relations specialists these days. The rigours and disciplines of Engineering and Science are simply not present in our Service Industries. Flooding etc: Following the recent catastrophic flooding in Yorkshire, surely we can now see the folly of Conservative privatisation of the Water Industry. There’s obviously not been sufficient investment in drainage for years as (mostly foreign) shareholders cream off the profits. Private companies simply won’t make the kind of huge investment required in our infrastructure, unless they are coerced into doing so through some increased form of regulation. The openness of the UK corporate sector to foreign ownership may be ok for some industries, but not where essential utilities are concerned. We have a weak infrastructure that needs investing in. For instance, commuting to work on our congested road network has become a nightmare and is an obstacle to seeking work outside your immediate area. I’m all for focusing on enterprise and the work ethic. But anyone who runs a business knows, you can’t function at all without an effective infrastructure around you. Housebuilding and Immigration : The proposal for half a million new houses in Yorkshire is largely the result of the Conservatives taking us into the EU. We have surrendered control of our borders to the EU and are now destroying our countryside in our attempts to find room for the resulting immigration. Political Correctness: I am utterly opposed to politically correct ‘Health Fascist’ legislation like the Blanket smoking ban. It’s yet another example of EU driven nonsense. I was very upset to hear the Conservatives supported this. A smoking room and extractor fans would take the ‘risk’ of passive smoking down from infinitesimal to nought. In other EU countries such as Spain, bars which don’t serve food are exempt from the ban. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yorkshire Independent - Putting Yorkshire First

25-12-2007, 06:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Anwhere far away from the cabalistas Posts: 7,283	Fully agree with the majority of your comments. However, I suspect UKIP might not be for you in view of your category 1 comment. But stick around...... Welcome! __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Users on ignore list: None. I've got to have people to laugh at. Cowardly Posters* list: BobFM, Bellatrix.*People who post personal insults then refuse to reply .

27-12-2007, 10:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,615	It's pretty hard finding a party that you agree with everything on. Only you know what your core principles are and which party best matches them. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

27-12-2007, 05:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
yorkshireindependent Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 22	thanks for all your replies Thanks for all your replies - (I thought you would ignore me at first!) I was probably being a bit mischievous with my 'category' bit. There are obviously more types than that - but unfortunately such types do tend to dominate. It’s up to reasonable people who are 'down to earth' to get involved and make politics something that ordinary people feel comfortable with. As you say - there are no perfect parties. I suppose I'm probably saying I don't like snobs. I actually think I will grow to like UKIP because it is against political correctness and it's also against IR35 (a tax which affects small businesses). I am hoping it’s the kind of party that lives up to it’s name by allowing people a bit of individuality & freedom within the party. A Happy New Year and lets hope UKIP can make a breakthrough in 2008!

28-12-2007, 10:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
David Agnew Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maidenhead Posts: 291	Fourth Category Happy New Year to you too. There is a category that you didn't mention, that is a significant force in British politics: the psuedo-nationalists (for example the SNP who want to turn their country into a Euro-region, answerable to Brussels).

28-12-2007, 10:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
ukpopdems Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 235	If you really want to catch the new wave of change, yorkshire independent, then you should look at UKpopdems - Popular Democrats. UKpopdems is a new party pushing for the implementation of an empowered, participative democracy, where local communities and individuals have more power to decide what is important to them, and the government has less power to implement damaging and elitist legislation that limits personal freedom. Look at the work of the think tank INVOLVE and other political researchers and you'll see there's a big push to move away from old style controlling governments to one where politicians are the true servants of the people, which is what they should be, rather than masters of the people. UKpopdems is the first of these new wave parties. Have a look on ukpopdems.org.uk

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