C_steam

wow! did my prac last year after doing beyond words with John Overdurff and Julie Silverthorn. Doing some business coaching currently, but not yet 'good enough' I feel to do any private practice beyond a few little bits for a couple of mates.

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jason phillips

It has totally changed my life. While ' pressing the flesh ' door to door prior to standing as candidate in elections I used it. As you know, you simply get Rapport then PACE PACE PACE LEAD PACE LEAD etc & include ' Sleight of Mouth '.
NLP has helped me become more Tolerant of people with different beliefs, by stepping into their Map of the world. I do not believe in good or evil, right or wrong, etc. It's all to do with your individual map of the world. Spearmint Rhino in Saudia Arabia would probably involve letting you see their face for a very large sum of money LOL. As a Libertarian I believe in Gay Marriage ( not just Partnership ) & against Political Correctness, If your Queer in Iran you'd be executed & the same for speaking against Mohammed. I don't believe we're right & their wrong or evil. I'm sure if I had been born into a muslim Fundamentalist family in Iran, I'd have the same beliefs.
You can practice NLP all the time mate, by people watching & in every conversation whether on phone, in person or right now reading this.
I did my Prac with Jamie Smart & Peter Freeth ( myNLPresources.com ). I've also done 'Sleight of Mouth' with Doug O'Brian & Nick Kemp. Done 8 day Erickson Hypnotherapy Certification with Michael Watson ( who has trained with Erickson, Tony Robbins, Robert Anton Wilson, Bandler, Grinder, Stephen Gilligan, Robert Dilts, Timothy Leary, Ram Dass, John Perkins, Gregory Bateson, many more great NLP & Hypnotherapists ).Watson is also a dedicated Libertarian Activist in Florida.

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Mikeuk

That's probably because, in common with most of the population, they're sick to death of ethnics, feminazis and poofs.

Which party did you think all the normal people were going to join?

SilverFalcon

I get worried about people who are encouraged to say they do not believe in right or wrong as such as though right and wrong were simply figments of human imagination and totally culture centred. They can be very much affected by culture but it must be borne in mind that all normal people, no matter who they are or where they come from, tend to have similar views and feelings about what is inherently right and wrong, good and bad, positive and negative. The moral imperative can be skewed but the moral ethic is often unassailable across human comprehension of this concept on a number of fundamental issues.

Mikeuk

If moraliity is simply a lifestyle choice and greed, lust etc are ethically equal to the example of Mother Teresa, then there is certainly no moral argument for Political Correctness.

And why knock Hitler, Caligula, Stalin etc? Were their 'lifestyle choices' somehow less valid than everybody else's?

True, they made lifestyle choices for millions of others, but isn't that the way of the modern world?

SilverFalcon

It certainly was the way of the ancient world where the king suddenly decided to take a quantum leap, whether into a new faith or a new ideology, and all the peasants had to jump or be slaughtered. Since the year dot, it seems, the rank and file have adopted the vision, whether mad or otherwise, of the superior class headed by whatever dangerous individual could claim their unswerving loyalty at whatever cost.

It's interesting that you mention this to be still prevalent today. How do those who would be king now get this right? The media? The threat of economic disempowerment? The threat of incarceration? Of shunning? The deeply humiliating deposition to that of a "bad person" or a guilty person, etc? Are the new age stocks and chains simply invisible ones?

Libertarianism is basically authoritative. This is because true freedom comes with the price of responsibility and the courage to implement the rule of law so that liberty and all this privilege entails, may be enjoyed and not abused. Because one can abuse freedom and the modern left is a perfect example of how this can be achieved and to what extent it can become fascistic and suffocating, lines must be drawn in the sand as to what is and what is not acceptable to the group living and working within the context of this kind of liberty.

I think many people get libertarianism and libertinism mixed up. "I do what I like" is not the same thing as "I like what I do." As Lewis Carroll pointed out at the Mad Hatter's tea party. And no matter what ideological gymnastics any free thinker is willing to practise there will always be the problem of pleasing all of the people all of the time while retaining order that upholds the very structure of the ideology concerned. It simply isn't possible. Hence the need for certain groups to draw lines and have opinions and to craft their communities by means of these democratic tools.

Extremist lefties consider this to be fascist, yet there is nothing more confining and soul destroying today that the nature of post Marxian social engineering. The lie that this goes under any kind of libertarian flag is unacceptable in terms of the new left's acknowledgment and implementation of draconian legislation to force diverse communities to conform and be "good". In many ways the new left is the direct beneficiary of the ancient policy of obey or die.

jason phillips

I'm not 'normal', I've never met a 'normal' person & It will be interesting to find out if I ever for the rest of my life,get to meet a 'normal' person.
Excellent post SilverFalcon, I don't believe Libertarianism to be right & Communism to be wrong. I just want to lead my life without being told what to do & without hurting anyone else.

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SilverFalcon

That makes you "normal", a state of mind that some are blessed with and many would aspire to

mkpdavies

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I just want to lead my life without being told what to do & without hurting anyone else.

Which is totaly incompatible with Communism or even Socialism. People who beleive in those ideologies believe they should be able to steal from you and tell you how to live.

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SilverFalcon

Which further proves that millions who espouse socialism don't actually know what it is they are so passionate about.