Mountaineer

Hello to all. I joined this forum to debate with like minded people to find where I stand politically. My belief is that this country is being used by multi-national companies, for the sole purpose of making money. Ok making money is not a bad thing, if it’s in the interest of the country rather than a few individuals with bank accounts in Monaco. I would therefore describe myself as a patriotic Socialist that rejects Marxism and Thatcherism. The main judgement I make of a political party is how it looks after the most vulnerable people in society, but has the means available to stop abuse in its tracks. On the other hand give as much help and guidance to our future academic elite which this Nation depends on. The reason I joined this forum is to talk to members and supporters of their party of choice, because I don’t believe anything the media says, or in some cases don’t say. So will I be joining a political party, to help the English people restore their pride, culture and economy? Well I would if I knew which one? I strongly believe in the building of council houses, for many like me who could never afford a house to buy and would struggle to rent; you would either have to raise the minimum wage to what, twenty pounds an hour? Or lower house prices, not going to happen. The only party committed to council house building is the BNP to my knowledge, but why would someone vote for a party that they, their family and friends cannot join or go to a meeting because of their colour. I understand their argument, and in theory agree, but the BNP don’t believe in repatriation, unlike the National Front, therefore you would have apartheid and race riots. Both repatriation and apartheid are unacceptable, or have I got it wrong? Look forward to talking soon.

Anthony Butcher

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I'd personally address why people can't afford houses, than paper over the cracks and add the problem by stealing others money, to fund handouts, with all the corruption of the system that brings.
But welcome to the forum anyway. We need some "patriotic left" here.

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Mountaineer

Thank you both for your welcome. I haven’t explained myself properly so please except my apology. Basically I’m poor, I live in council accommodation, the only employment in my area is agency work, and you have to compete for work against immigrants, who are also being exploited. To be able to buy a house or flat you can only borrow three times the amount of your wages, therefore you would need to earn at least twenty pounds an hour approx, and be in secure employment. The only party that acknowledge this fact is The British National Party. If people want to campaign against the BNP, then maybe it’s not a good idea to make ex-labour voters feel like thieves and rogues, for being poor. I don’t believe that it’s anyone’s intention to make the poor feel bad, we just work to survive, and with the rise in homelessness, most people in my situation are now looking to crime and gang culture, not a political solution. To be honest I’m starting to think that maybe I’m wasting my time?

Millennium3

Welcome M - I share many of your concerns. You have rightly identified the problems with the BNP.

Our membership of the EU allows into Britain individuals who are used to very low pay rates in their home nation [along with the 200k pa who come from elsewhere] and are therefore prepared to work here at rates which would not provide a reasonable living to British nationals. Many of these economic migrants plan to accept poor conditions for a period of time to accumulate cash so that when they return to their home land their savings will place them in a very favourable position. Alternatively, if they find their skills well rewarded here they may stay. Either way it is to the detriment of British workers.

If things do continue in this way British workers, whose skills do not command high rates of pay, will have to adapt and create some underclass which battles to survive day in and day out - a condition which does and did occur in many parts of the world, but until recently was considered unacceptable to the vast majority here. However, it is reported that Brown is being encouraged [which means it is likely to happen] to remove many of the benefits presently given to the least fortunate so that they have to compete with economic migrants for these low paid, but impossible to survive decently, jobs. Shanty towns seem to be on their way.

As to what party to support, clearly one that is against the EU, but I think you knew that already. UKIP does not really cater for the left of centre, it seems to me that this is a mistake as, since New Labour bears no resemblance to Old Labour whose concerns were the least fortunate, there is no party representing this group. Also UKIP is not a broadly based party with the aims generally accepted for political parties. They are essentially a Tory pressure group whose prime aim is to split the Tory Party, hoping to attact the anti EU element to its doors.

The English Democrats is probably your best choice since they are trying to develop a political party in the normal sense of the word and whose policies do seem closer to the centre.

It does seem to me, if none of the parties do make an effort to represent the least fortunate, in time, they will be driven into the arms of the BNP and Powell's prediction of 'rivers of blood' will become an actuality.

Mountaineer

Thank you Millennium3. You have pretty much summed up my thoughts entirely, but I needed confirmation about English Democrat policies. I know, no party will be perfect, but I just needed confirmation that there’s a place for the working class. I lived in Cornwall for a while and would love to go back. I was living in Redruth, and on my way home from work I came across a big wall near the rugby club and on the wall was sprayed; English go home. The memory has been embedded in my mind, I wanted to be Cornish, but deep down I’ll always be a Cockney. Well London is being turfed up now into gangs, unemployment is high, and killings are on a daily basis. If we restrict immigration now, get rid of left wing teachers, and get Garry bushell teaching history, we might have a chance in instilling pride in our country; but we need to do it now. The BNP are mounting a respectable campaign and with all their bad publicity, I know living near Barking and Dagenham they are telling the truth. There are a lot of non whites English born and bred agree with their policies, but the BNP don’t want them. I think they would be good for the EDP, as culturally they are English, and nobody speaks up for these people, certainly not the left. I’ve heard people claiming to be BNP when I know for a fact that they are NF. What people don’t realise if we fail to restore order now, Blood and Honour are on the rise throughout Europe and we will have a race war bigger than you can imagine. Thanks once again I will make contact with the party tomorrow.

Millennium3

Hope my suggestions were fairly accurate - it is a confused scene. Don't know much about Cornwall - but I think the ED's a fairly well represented there.

On a personal note, I hail from Woolwich across the river from B & C, although I have not been back for many years. So good luck with your efforts.

Mountaineer

Yes thanks for your help. I'm back in London now, looking forward to May 1st