C_steam

WTF are you supporting new labour for then?

You smell heavily of TROLL

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Kevin Adamson

see you in the ring......................good luck you will need it

Anthony Smithee

It was a private joke, nothing more.

I assume that you mean the Iraq debacle, or instead the Afghan war?
I believe that whether or not the war was justified by the WMD excuse (which I am ashamed of for my party; the evidence supporting the idea was far too weak to go to war on) it was nonetheless justified by the removal of Saddam from power. The man was a brutal tyrant; at least under even temporary Western occupation there is a possibility that it may one day stabilise and better itself. How many future lives might we have saved by removing him from power? Likely more than we have destroyed.

I disagree with ID cards,but mainly on the basis of economics.
As for leaving the EU, would it not be better to offer a referendum? That way democracy rules; to simply state that we were leaving would merely transform what many think of as a dictatorship into one of a different kind.

ukpopdems

I guess you mean well, Anthony. I think most Labour supporters mean well but are just subsumed into the Labour machine. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the Labour party of Thatchers time was so left wing socialist, and the Labour party of Blair and Brown's time is so Right wing authorarian, and yet Labour supporters are blithely casting their votes for the party as though it was one and the same unchanging?

It's the electon winning spin machine, the long term aim of destroying Britain, together with the inability to implement any policy without damaging and incompetent ****-ups (not to mention tens of thousands of deaths of innocents in Iraq) that gets to most people.

Wesley Lightly

Hello, I am currently employed in process chemistry at a Novartis plant in a back-of-the-woods place.

My political beliefs are as follows:
>Any party I support must show some form of honesty.
>^Unfortunately the above rules out every party.
>Leaderless Democracy is the way forward.
>^Unfortunately, not everyone works this way, so people may take advantage.
>Some high-up UKIP members are completely bonkers.
>^I know most of you are probably Ukippers, and I might be too, if they were not bonkers (or liars)
>The war in Iraq was worth it, just to kick Saddam off the throne.
>^The starter of it was not right.

My normal beleifs:
>Anybody posting links from these sites gets a simple \"lol, go away\" from me:Alex Jones' Infowars.com :: There is a War on for Your Mind!, Eric Hufschmid.net and Educate-Yourself.org - Natural Healing Therapies, Hidden Science, the New World Order, World Wide Electronic Mind Control, Population Reduction, and possible Earth Changes.
>Any mention of the \"NWO\", \"Zionist Jews\" or \"9/11 Inside job\" will probably expect some form of rebuke.

Also, if you disagree with what I say above, spend your time trying to convert me

I leave with a saying:

\"He who resorts to insults, has already lost\"

Aardvark

WL, I appear to agree with you on much of what you say, especially concerning the conspiracy theories.

AS, If UKIP were to be elected then withdrawal, being the key party policy on the manifesto, would go ahead. Referenda are great if you get to choose the question. They are also great where governments are proceeding to change the constitution without putting it in their manifesto. Arguably, since Blair was committed to a referendum on the constitution before the last GE (IIRC), the decision by Brown to avoid a referendum is going back on a promise. In reality it is unlikely that UKIP will storm to power without having had a period of opposition of some sort since that would require a massive swing and moving from 0 MPs to 325 in one fell swoop. The issue of EU membership could be addressed by other parties who saw voters deserting them in the way that Labour is making mouth music about immigration (British jobs for British workers!!!) when their private polls show localised support for the BNP threatening a handful of their MPs (Stoke, Dagenham, Burnley etc). If UKIP picked up 20 or 30 seats at the next GE it would galvanise the big parties into looking at their policies. Note the cynicism with which Brown has been 'borrowing' Tory and LibDem and even BNP ideas in order to keep voters onside.

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Mikeuk

Well you'd be surprised. I commuted to London from Portsmouth for years before I learned that one of my colleagues firmly believed I came up from Plymouth every day!

You can't have had a very high profile in Portsmouth Tories, Anthony. I was an officer of Portsmouth South for years and since my name is Smith I'd certainly have remembered someone called Smithee.

Anthony Smithee

I wasn't active. Just voted each year as a supporter.

SuperiorSteve

Welcome to the forum ;-)

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David Agnew

Welcome to the forum. I have long wondered where the supporters of New Labour are. The forum has been a bit of a ghetto.

These are some of the things wrong with Labour:

Sins of commission:
* The Labour party was in power at the time that the 1967 Abortion Act was passed. They therefore have the blood of 4.5 million on their hands.
* The Labour Party fought the 1987 election on the platform of handing part of the UK to a foreign state.
* The Labour Party has invited terrorists into the government of the UK (While at the same time having the brass neck to talk about a "war on terrorism" with regard to Islamic terrorism).
* The Labour Party has gerrymandered the British constitution by setting up devolution. This: a) was done undemocratically against the wishes of the bulk of the British people. b) has created the anti-democratic 'West Lothian Question' c) wasted a lot of money d) made the break up of the UK inevitable
* The Labour Party once committed to the soverignty of the UK, are now fervent Europhiles. As we all know membership of the EU, as well as further damaging our democracy, damages the UK economy.
* They have a love of new laws and regulations

Sins of ommission:
* They have failed to tackle the appalling crime rate
* They have failed to tackle the shocking state of the NHS
* They have failed to simplify and reduce taxation
* They have failed to control the borders
* They have failed to do anything about the enormous dependency culture. In fact it has grown.
* They have failed on education

I could go on, but I haven't got time