John Carter

Insomnia makes me dumb.

What's the Guam Mass Transit Authority got to do with anything?

Alex McKee

Or, and I feel this is much more likely, it makes me even less capable of pulling off subtle humour.

Buggered if I know... lol.

For_England

yes, I like that about America. I like the independent spirit that many still have. But I don't see any way for it to become politically significant. I think the deck is stacked, and I just don't see any way for that spirit to prevail. There are too many people whose independent spirit manifests itself as Democrat (anti-globalisation, anti-corporatism, anti-imperialism) or Republican (anti welfare state, anti political correctness, anti thought-police) - but both are statist. Both sides just play off of the moral agenda. Now I'm a Christian - a fundamentalist one - but the Christian right makes me sick. They play off of the threat of Islam to bolster the dictatorial powers of Bush. The left plays off of fear of the christian right to do what? - to impose their own idealogical fascism. Honestly, I do not see any way that the resistance in America will ever become organised enough. Let's face it, most people in America are either trying to survive or chasing the dream. If they care about politics, they see things from either a liberal or Christian right perspective.

Yes, and again I like that. One of the best books I ever read was by a man who was an economic advisor to the Reagan administration, and his analysis of the leviathan nature of things was very informative - his name is M E McMaster, aka the 'indiana jones of trading'. Yet both parties are statist. Both allow the corporate influence of government, mass immigration and globalisation, federal reserve banking, a monopolised news media, 'civil rights' etc.

That is why I think Britain has a chance. People aren't chasing a make-believe fantasy of suburban life. They see their country going to the pan, and they can't escape. Everyone knows it's just a matter of time. Poeple are becoming desperate. And if they don't bring about a political solution soon, there will be civil war, and the Muslims are such that they won't have the sense to wait until they are in the majority before they start the fireworks.

You see that as a strength. I see it as a great weakness. I think the multi-culturalism of America is the reason why the public has the false dichotomy of religious right and liberalism. The American people at the time of the Revolution were well read and well educated and they knew the issues. I have a huge respect for many of the founding fathers, because they really understood what true liberty was. They understood the dangers of corporatism, of central banks, of imperialism and entangling alliances, and of multi-culturalism, which they strongly rejected. The people back then were unashamebly white, anglo-saxon, and protestant, and they were strong because of it. Now I'm not trying to be offensive. I would guess you are Jewish from your user name. I can trace my own Jewish heritage back centuries. Israel today has a similar policy of only allowing Jews, because they know at the end of the day blood is thicker than water. I am a nationalist, meaning I believe that a society is strong and close knit when it has one common culture, language and ethnic character. I do not believe any one is better than another. Pat Buchanan has written a great book on why any other conception will fail in a nation. Even the utilitarian John Stuart Mill said that societies that are not ethnically and culturally united will be dictatorships, because the government will become the all-powerful umpire, playing off of different interest groups for its own purposes, and using the tensions to aggrigate more powers to itself. Isn't that modern day America in a nutshell? I am sure in 30 years time, when whites are a minority in most American states, that you will have changed your mind about how wonderful it is to have a non-homogenous nation. And what loyalty do you have as a nation? president Bush said you are joined together, not by common ties of blood, but by certain ideals. The result is an atomistic and individualistic society that, in my opinion, knows nothing of community and belonging (I'm sure the Brits on here will say that British people don't know much about that either, but in my opinion it is nowhere near like in America, where life seems so mundane and meaningless, where people actually think that driving a cool car and having lots of money is interesting. That's an overgeneralisation. I love the outdoor life in America, but I don't see the deep friendships, nor the interaction and conversation that I see in Britain. Friends, both American and British have discussed this with me).
Look at the native Americans - dispossessed of their lands; their culture a matter of ridicule for so long. They have lost all sense of meaning in who they are, and have turned to alcoholism and gambling. It is tragic. The same thing is happening to English youth.

I have no doubt that fifty years ago, Britain was the best country in the world. With regards to crime, education, community, healthcare, we could be proud. We might not have had the wealth of America and other countries, but overall I think the quality of life was great. Multi-culturalism has turned our cities into dangerous and alien places. Our women are a prey. We are second-class citizens in our country. Our brightest are leaving in droves. It is not pretty. Anyone who has seen towns transformed knows how horrible the reality is.


Believe me, most people love their country and hate their government!

mordechai

I think you mistake my words. I'm trying to tell you that a knife in the back is a knife in the back. Don't let someone get close to you because his name is Smith. If he's out to get you, it doesn't matter what his ethnicity is. I'm simply saying that ethnic similarity can be a weakness.

However, if more Britons become like you, they will be able to use it as a strength.

As to the Jewish thing, yes I am. But, Israel is a case in point of letting your leaders shank you because you're the same ethnically, religiously, etc. Israel has problems that the government won't acknowledge, and the people do nothing because some of those problems are connected to national myths which hold the country together.

Myself, I've always been an iconoclast. I'm not gonna cut Israel's government any more slack than I'll cut my own.

If Israel doesn't acknowledge the truth, it'll fall. If Britain doesn't accept the truth, it'll fall. If America doesn't accept the truth, it'll fall.

The unfortunate thing in all this is that it is a very good possibility people in all three nations will fail to act.

crac

There is certainly a very deep and unconscious sense of justice and rightness that British/English people feel and respond from in their attitudes to those who are supposed to represent their interests.

You can't get rid of it, and so you can't get rid of humanism, which says that love or value for people, their feelings, their needs, their pains, their suffering should always trump all other values.

And therefore in an unconscious way there is always a sense of justified outrage and even hatred directed at those who say that humanism is bad.
Which puts any person who says that , even with a good reason, in a nasty pit of hatred always, which is inhuman of course but who said people were logical.

Which brings me to my point that it is the ideas in our language of discourse which have been twisted to mean the opposite of what they should mean and its time to put that right because if we can't agree on what our words mean then we will never agree on anything.

You cannot banish political correctness, because that definition does not define the problem. I think the problem is the twisting and redefinition of our language so that fairness does not mean fairness, because those who use these words as their moral basis are allowed to get away with promoting policies that are unfair in practise to the majority, unfair to our historical values, unfair to our beliefs.

When you say humanity is the reason for your action how can it be humanity if it is against the humanity of the majority. Where is the humanity to the English school child who, in the classroom has to repudiate respect for his/her own country and history and culture, to escape from bullying and criticism from pupils and teachers.

Equality does not exist in nature or in culture or in history it is entirely a false concept. I don't think there is any logical or experiential or scientific basis for the word at all. The word simply does not exist and should not be accepted as a meaningfull word at all.

Similarly the idea that all values or cultures are equal or the same is also not supported by any evidence from science or culture or history or the natural world. This definition of equal does not exist, cannot exist is meaningless. the word cannot be used in that way in that sentence. Its like saying all things are equal!!!!! Its just meaningless, nothing can be inferred from such nonsensical language.

All words in our language come from history and culture, which gives them their meaning. No other words should be accepted from the mouths of those who have an important job as spokesperson, or leader then those words which are firmly rooted in a common culture and a shared value by history and experience.

I believe its possible to return the meaning of our words to their cultural roots and point out that dignity for others cannot cannnot cannot ever be allowed to mean less dignity for the majority. and if it has had this result then it is wrong.

thats where i'm coming from, if the basis of things are correct or right then everything else will come right. and its very important how groups of responsiible or influential people use language or allow it to be used.

For_England

I agree with you mordechai, though I think that politics has always been divided more along class lines in England. But I think you are right that there can be a misplaced trust in government, and I think other countries generally need more of that American distinction between country and government that so many have.

mordechai

Nothing could be better for the world as a whole.

As to class lines, what do you mean per se?

For_England

I think class divisions are much stronger in the UK than USA. In the UK, different classes have different attitudes. Here are my prejudicial opinions: Working class have an 'up yours world' kind of view. Education is often discouraged among them as being conformist. They think they are great rebels when the reality is their attitudes and outlooks are hurting themselves and their children. I think there are many parallels between the English working class and poor African Americans. The middle class think they are really smart and superior, and have no clue that such attitudes actually blind them to the big picture - everything is a reaction against everyone else, and everything is about how much better they are. They don't care about what is happening to the country until it effects them. Case in point: they would rather the country go to Islam or third world dump then try to join and reform the BNP which has working class roots. That's why they have taken so long to wake up to multi-culturalism. The upper classes - well I don't know any. Presumably they are happy so long as they have a cocktail party to attend.

Alex McKee

What a limited and narrow view of the world, precisely why class distinction should not be regarded as anything other than a backward victorian outlook.

For_England

good luck trying to eradicate it - the working classes are not going to suddenly conform, and the middle classes are not suddenly going to admit their own deficiences, or that they have them (hmmm). generalisations are necessarily 'limited'; and such notions did not begin in Victorian times.