Introduction - Lynn Riley

Bluemerle · 13-02-2006, 02:02 PM

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Anyone who signs the BDI and commits, on pain of giving up their seats, to supporting the BDI Bill which repeals the ECA72, must be returned. We need friends inside the House with a vote. Nobody else can save us.

I agree with this Lynn, but come the next General Election you must let UKIP know who these people are.

Lynn Riley · 13-02-2006, 02:18 PM

Of course we understand you can't co-operate if you don't now who the BDI candidates are. They must declare, but if I had that assurance form UKIP I could sign up MPs and candidates by the hundred - then they could declare without fear of being culled.

It's chicken and egg. I am getting there but could go much faster! Also the sooner I could tell UKIP where we had candidates (and I would do so asap) you could target resources better - earlier. Elections are won by a long haul - all the work must be done by the time it is called!

But we cannot get through to the UKIP heirarchy. No rsponse. Would be grateful for help in that regard.

Colin McNamee · 14-02-2006, 09:48 AM

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The Oath of Allegiance is taken publicly.

Is the Oath of the BDI considered more binding? More enforceable in law? More dishonourable if not kept ?

Lynn Riley · 14-02-2006, 10:04 AM

Yes. We know MPs have broken their Oath (sometimes under duress), but the public cannot conceive of anyone breaking an Oath and anyway they think it is to 'The Queen' (The Queen in Parliament is actually the British People), so they don't care. Also few understand what the Oath actually means.

The BDI effecively spells out what the Oath means and they sign it - there is a piece of paper - and the promise is to the electorate, so the people know that have been diddled if the MP reneges. The MP also has strangth against the whips when they try to make him break his oath - the promise of an imminent by-election (which the Party would lose because the electrate would know the reason for it). So MPs wold have more control and therefore we could hold them to account which w really can't at present because they are under such enormous pressure. Do you think, for instance that Chris Gill is a weak, stupid or dishonourable man? Obviously not, yet he voted for all these Bills - that is the pressure. Try to understand because unless you do you cannot understand teh solution.

If the people know that their MP has lied (it must be cut and dried - simple and provable beyond doubt) they will sack him. MPs know this which is why they are so wary of signing.

ryansoton · 23-02-2006, 12:17 AM

Hi Lynn is the bdi only seeking signatures from sitting mps? My reason for asking is in the constituency where I live the lib dems held the seat from the tories by 125 votes, ukip took over over 1000 votes. How will I know if the Tory candidate which has already been named for the next general election is a eurosceptic willing to declare for british withdrawal?
Welcome to the forum too and I have signed up to the bdi

Lynn Riley · 23-02-2006, 10:34 AM

Ryan thank you for your support of the BDI. We are approaching the entire candidates lists as well as sitting MPs during this parliament so that we are well prepared for the election - no last minute rush. Once i have been through the entire list I will know who has signed, and when they are selected for seats we will know exactly which seats we have BDI candidates in.

In each party they need enough to be able to feel confident enough to declare themselves and then I will email all our supporters in those consitutencies so they can help with electioneering in those consituencies. Also we need to be able to tell parties like UKIP in plenty of time, so they can chose where to stand and consolidate their resources so they do better. This is vital.

The more people who pledge their vote on our website www.bdicampaign.org the more reason MPs and candidates have for signing and the more who sign the more likely that they wil declare so that they can campaign on this issue - which will become the issue of the election. That will help UKIP etc. If one parties MP declare then it put pressure on the other party to follow suit.

The more MPs and Candidates who sign the more likely we are to achieve our required majority.

Please ask everyone you know to support this electioneering strategy.

Colin McNamee · 24-02-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mac1

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The Oath of Allegiance is taken publicly.

Is the Oath of the BDI considered more binding? More enforceable in law? More dishonourable if not kept ?

Lynn Riley · 24-02-2006, 05:11 PM

Here is the answer - yes, this is stronger than the Oath because of the following:

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Originally Posted by Lynn Riley

Yes. We know MPs have broken their Oath (sometimes under duress), but the public cannot conceive of anyone breaking an Oath and anyway they think it is to 'The Queen' (The Queen in Parliament is actually the British People), so they don't care. Also few understand what the Oath actually means.

The BDI effecively spells out what the Oath means and they sign it - there is a piece of paper - and the promise is to the electorate, so the people know that have been diddled if the MP reneges. The MP also has strangth against the whips when they try to make him break his oath - the promise of an imminent by-election (which the Party would lose because the electrate would know the reason for it). So MPs wold have more control and therefore we could hold them to account which w really can't at present because they are under such enormous pressure. Do you think, for instance that Chris Gill is a weak, stupid or dishonourable man? Obviously not, yet he voted for all these Bills - that is the pressure. Try to understand because unless you do you cannot understand teh solution.

If the people know that their MP has lied (it must be cut and dried - simple and provable beyond doubt) they will sack him. MPs know this which is why they are so wary of signing.

Colin McNamee · 26-02-2006, 04:07 PM

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The Oath of Allegiance is taken publicly.

Is the Oath of the BDI considered more binding? More enforceable in law? More dishonourable if not kept ?

Wait until the 3 March.

Lynn Riley · 26-02-2006, 04:27 PM

Sorry I just don't understand - what is the 3 March?

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13-02-2006, 02:18 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lynn Riley Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chepstow Posts: 256	Of course we understand you can't co-operate if you don't now who the BDI candidates are. They must declare, but if I had that assurance form UKIP I could sign up MPs and candidates by the hundred - then they could declare without fear of being culled. It's chicken and egg. I am getting there but could go much faster! Also the sooner I could tell UKIP where we had candidates (and I would do so asap) you could target resources better - earlier. Elections are won by a long haul - all the work must be done by the time it is called! But we cannot get through to the UKIP heirarchy. No rsponse. Would be grateful for help in that regard.

14-02-2006, 10:04 AM	#24 (permalink)
Lynn Riley Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chepstow Posts: 256	Yes. We know MPs have broken their Oath (sometimes under duress), but the public cannot conceive of anyone breaking an Oath and anyway they think it is to 'The Queen' (The Queen in Parliament is actually the British People), so they don't care. Also few understand what the Oath actually means. The BDI effecively spells out what the Oath means and they sign it - there is a piece of paper - and the promise is to the electorate, so the people know that have been diddled if the MP reneges. The MP also has strangth against the whips when they try to make him break his oath - the promise of an imminent by-election (which the Party would lose because the electrate would know the reason for it). So MPs wold have more control and therefore we could hold them to account which w really can't at present because they are under such enormous pressure. Do you think, for instance that Chris Gill is a weak, stupid or dishonourable man? Obviously not, yet he voted for all these Bills - that is the pressure. Try to understand because unless you do you cannot understand teh solution. If the people know that their MP has lied (it must be cut and dried - simple and provable beyond doubt) they will sack him. MPs know this which is why they are so wary of signing.

23-02-2006, 12:17 AM	#25 (permalink)
ryansoton Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southampton Posts: 781 Party: Other	Hi Lynn is the bdi only seeking signatures from sitting mps? My reason for asking is in the constituency where I live the lib dems held the seat from the tories by 125 votes, ukip took over over 1000 votes. How will I know if the Tory candidate which has already been named for the next general election is a eurosceptic willing to declare for british withdrawal? Welcome to the forum too and I have signed up to the bdi

23-02-2006, 10:34 AM	#26 (permalink)
Lynn Riley Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chepstow Posts: 256	Ryan thank you for your support of the BDI. We are approaching the entire candidates lists as well as sitting MPs during this parliament so that we are well prepared for the election - no last minute rush. Once i have been through the entire list I will know who has signed, and when they are selected for seats we will know exactly which seats we have BDI candidates in. In each party they need enough to be able to feel confident enough to declare themselves and then I will email all our supporters in those consitutencies so they can help with electioneering in those consituencies. Also we need to be able to tell parties like UKIP in plenty of time, so they can chose where to stand and consolidate their resources so they do better. This is vital. The more people who pledge their vote on our website www.bdicampaign.org the more reason MPs and candidates have for signing and the more who sign the more likely that they wil declare so that they can campaign on this issue - which will become the issue of the election. That will help UKIP etc. If one parties MP declare then it put pressure on the other party to follow suit. The more MPs and Candidates who sign the more likely we are to achieve our required majority. Please ask everyone you know to support this electioneering strategy.

26-02-2006, 04:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
Colin McNamee Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 894	Quote: The Oath of Allegiance is taken publicly. Is the Oath of the BDI considered more binding? More enforceable in law? More dishonourable if not kept ? Wait until the 3 March.

26-02-2006, 04:27 PM	#30 (permalink)
Lynn Riley Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chepstow Posts: 256	Sorry I just don't understand - what is the 3 March?