Hello from Walsall

SGK · 22-10-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

I am already concerned about the fact that a small number (6 or 7) of the contributors to this forum cannot read nor write, nor even fully comprehend the spoken or written English word. There are also a number of people who make no attempt whatsoever to get their facts right.

At least I get one out of two

SGK · 22-10-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyburn

Give Dave a chance, sure this is mostly a pro-UKIP forum, but despite the rivalries between UKIP and the BNP, these 2 parties have more in common than they both do with the BIG THREE e.g On Immigration, Europe etc.....

This is precicely the attitude that is smearing UKIP with racist images and why I won't be joining (unless it's sorted out). It makes no difference which policies are the same or similar, a big welcome hug and an arm in arm stroll will kill the party.
If UKIP is to be a stand alone political party, it should rebuff all other parties equally on the principle that only it has all the correct policies in the correct mix and measure. The 'Big Three' don't do it, or do you just want a single 'fourth' party made up from all the minoes?

SGK · 22-10-2005, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

There would be more balance on the forum if more Tories joined in as well as BNP people.

I agree, and Labourites and Lib Dems. Then the ration of BNP posters wouldn't give off the wrong signals. A quick glance at how quickly Lib Dems are hounded off compared to the treatment BNPers get shows the problem.
I know that it's because as soon as a Lib Dem starts posting he starts making the exact opposite points everyone here makes, and either can't or won't defend his views and so leaves, but why aren't BNP supporters given the same treatment.
I have yet to see a Labour voter on here. Surely Labour and Lib Dem voters who are doubting the wisdom of the EU and a totalitarian state system are easier potential converts than Conservatives who have the (illusionary) belief that they are already in a euro-sceptic party.

Agent Provocateur · 22-10-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyburn

Give Dave a chance, sure this is mostly a pro-UKIP forum, but despite the rivalries between UKIP and the BNP, these 2 parties have more in common than they both do with the BIG THREE e.g On Immigration, Europe etc.....

Hi Cyburn, does Lawrence Rustem ring a bell?

Cyburn · 22-10-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Provocateur

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Originally Posted by Cyburn

Give Dave a chance, sure this is mostly a pro-UKIP forum, but despite the rivalries between UKIP and the BNP, these 2 parties have more in common than they both do with the BIG THREE e.g On Immigration, Europe etc.....

Hi Cyburn, does Lawrence Rustem ring a bell?

Oh yes, The ONLY Anglo-Turk in the BNP.
Oh I dont think the BNP will let in any more Anglo-Turks or Anglo-Arabs etc......

Simon · 22-10-2005, 08:45 PM

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UKIP, a libertarian, non-racialist, democratic party

There are many racialists in UKIP.

Alex McKee is at least honest about this:

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

I feel very strongly we must leave the EU as soon as possible, however this UK Independence Party is plagued with Europhobes in the most extreme, whose ranks undoubtedly include racists, homophobes and xenophobes. This views are an anaethma to me, and I will not suffer it if this party is going nowhere.

(Source)

This is what a UKIP member, and a moderator of this forum, had to say about the BNP:

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Originally Posted by C_Steam

In fact, I am a bit of a BNP sympathiser…However, I won't join the BNP - for a number of reasons and some of them job related - but will be joining the trafalgar club

(Source)

C_Steam was eventually talked out of joining the Trafalgar Club by mkpdavies.

Also, FuroraCeltica (UKIP candidate) has written many racialist articles in his blog, such as Homogeneity Works; Diversity Doesn't

MikeUK (UKIP candidate) is the leader of the anti-immigration CDA, and has said:

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1) I believe that the races are structured by a natural hierarchy of abilities and that this is not simply conditioned by environment. If this is not true, how is it that the Caucasoid people generally identified as 'Ashkenazi Jews', despite centuries of persecution, have achieved so much and Australian Aborigines have achieved so little?
2) All things being equal I would normally prefer to live among my own people rather than among strangers, however pleasant they may be.
3) When someone says 'A man of (say) African origin who was born in England is as English as you or I' (or something similar) I really don't believe that is a sincere statement of opinion. It is simply an ideological expression of Political Correctness.

(Source)

Most people on here didn't have a problem with CMUK64 joining UKIP, despite the fact that she described herself as "almost as widely read as David Duke" on a "White Pride" forum, and was a member of the BNP for a short time.

nyorks-patriot was a member of UKIP just a few months ago; he's now calling for forcible repatriation of all ethnic minorities.

Cyburn recently tried to join the BNP, and says that he prefers to be around white people.

On this thread just a few hours ago there were some very racist things said about asylum seekers (something like "we shouldn't have let them bloody asylum seekers come here") written by a UKIP member, which was quickly deleted.

I could go on...

Cyburn · 22-10-2005, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon

Cyburn recently tried to join the BNP, and says that he prefers to be around white people.

I at NO point have had any physical contact with the BNP, and even if I did want to join the BNP(which I dont), I doubt the BNP would actually let me be a member.

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Membership of the British National Party is open to those of British or kindred European ethnic descent. While we welcome contact and co-operation with nationalists and patriots of other races, and with the many non-whites who also oppose enforced multi-racialism, we ask them to respect our right to an organisation of our own, for our own, as we respect and applaud their measures to organise themselves in like fashion.

In other words, I cant join (Anglo-Egyptian)

Alex McKee · 22-10-2005, 09:12 PM

Simon, glass-houses.

Alex

Simon · 22-10-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

Simon, glass-houses.

Alex

Sorry, I don't have a clue what you're talking about there.

****

A lot of people here has said that allowing Bnp supporters to post here damages UKIP's reputation. I think that Alex does that the best:

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

I feel very strongly we must leave the EU as soon as possible, however this UK Independence Party is plagued with Europhobes in the most extreme, whose ranks undoubtedly include racists, homophobes and xenophobes. This views are an anaethma to me, and I will not suffer it if this party is going nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

Undoubtedly there are a few members of UKIP that probably are more suitable for BNP membership.

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Originally Posted by Alex McKee

I'm going to be blatantly honest - UKIP IS a party of old men at the mo

Alex McKee · 22-10-2005, 09:32 PM

If that's the best you can find I'm losing my touch. 2 of those are over a month old.

Oh and Glass-houses. Why don't you try sorting out your party first eh mate?

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Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,661	Simon, glass-houses. Alex

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Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,661	If that's the best you can find I'm losing my touch. 2 of those are over a month old. Oh and Glass-houses. Why don't you try sorting out your party first eh mate?