Hello from the Northeast

Agent Provocateur · 24-09-2005, 03:12 PM

Hello I'm from near Middlesbrough. I'm not really a supporter of any political party although I consider myself a classical liberal in the tradition of John Locke and Adam Smith. I probably identify most with the old Liberal party (not to be confused with the Liberal Democrats!).

I'm also of Pakistani origin but not Muslim, I just thought that was important.

Alex McKee · 24-09-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Provocateur

I'm also of Pakistani origin but not Muslim, I just thought that was important.

Hello. I too identify with the true liberalism.

Regarding that last bit, I really don't see why that was necessary. I have a few muslim friends and some of Pakistani extraction too.

So, how do you see the future of Britain if you don't mind me asking. What are your views on integration of cultures and societies?

Alex

B.A.Ware · 24-09-2005, 05:03 PM

Hi AP Welcome to the forum,what are your views on the European Union?

Anthony Butcher · 24-09-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Provocateur

Hello I'm from near Middlesbrough. I'm not really a supporter of any political party although I consider myself a classical liberal in the tradition of John Locke and Adam Smith. I probably identify most with the old Liberal party (not to be confused with the Liberal Democrats!).

Interestingly, people have commented that UKIP is closest to the old Liberal party - real common sense liberalism without the political correctness.

Welcome to the forum

Alex McKee · 24-09-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

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Originally Posted by Agent Provocateur

Hello I'm from near Middlesbrough. I'm not really a supporter of any political party although I consider myself a classical liberal in the tradition of John Locke and Adam Smith. I probably identify most with the old Liberal party (not to be confused with the Liberal Democrats!).

Interestingly, people have commented that UKIP is closest to the old Liberal party - real common sense liberalism without the political correctness.

Welcome to the forum

Yep I'd say that's true.

mkpdavies · 24-09-2005, 07:28 PM

Welcome! I class my self as an old school liberal, but after reading the liberal party website in detail, while being better than the Lib Dems, they are still far away from what I would call a liberal party.

arden forester · 07-10-2005, 12:09 AM

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I'm also of Pakistani origin but not Muslim, I just thought that was important.

Just curious, Agent Provocateur, if not Muslim what do you consider yourself to be?

Agent Provocateur · 15-10-2005, 12:16 PM

Hi guys.

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Regarding that last bit, I really don't see why that was necessary

Oh come on, take a look at the forum. You have almost many BNP supporters here as UKIP.

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So, how do you see the future of Britain if you don't mind me asking. What are your views on integration of cultures and societies?

That's not an easy question, I'll post some of my thoughts later.

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Hi AP Welcome to the forum,what are your views on the European Union?

To be honest I have little interest in it, although like most people here I favour repatriation of legal and political authority to Britain.

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Welcome! I class my self as an old school liberal, but after reading the liberal party website in detail, while being better than the Lib Dems, they are still far away from what I would call a liberal party.

I agree, I don't support them but they do seem closer to liberalism than any other party these days. Where do you think UKIP fit in? I see UKIP as being to the right of Tories.

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if not Muslim what do you consider yourself to be?

I still believe in God (of a sort) but I don't believe in any particular religion.[/quote]

mkpdavies · 15-10-2005, 12:47 PM

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I agree, I don't support them but they do seem closer to liberalism than any other party these days. Where do you think UKIP fit in? I see UKIP as being to the right of Tories.

I think UKIP is a very mixed bag of people united primarily by the EU, but also to lesser extent democracy and freedom.

I have no doubt UKIP have a few members thought of as right winger, but then there are full on lefties too. If/when UKIP develops and pushes it's other polices, I think it will stay a very mixed bag.

Overall I would say the Tories are actually a lot further to the right as a collective and do indeed have some pretty right wing types themselves. I struggle with the right, left thing anyway.

If you wrote a list of questions out, I bet most UKIP people would answer them in different ways. I see myself as mainly a libertarian, but I lose that with REAL criminals.

I think immigration mainly why UKIP is seen as right wing. I actually agree with UKIP's underlying policy of controlled immigration as I don't believe the country has endless capacity for population growth. However, I hate the way UKIP put the message out and I think some people back the policy for the wrong reason too.

I wish UKIP would push anti-discrimination polices harder, which means no favour, no prejudice to any of Britains citizens. It is supposed to be a libertarian party, but because the leadership are so weak on pushing that side, it means we have the odd "Classic Conservative" who see it as their new home.

Agent Provocateur · 15-10-2005, 01:54 PM

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I think UKIP is a very mixed bag of people united primarily by the EU, but also to lesser extent democracy and freedom.

So true. That's UKIP's basic problem, it's a group of people held together by what they are against, it's far too narrow. Though the public are largely a Eurosceptic bunch, the EU just isn't that important to them, that's why UKIP don't do well except in European elections.

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24-09-2005, 05:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,152 Party: UKIP	Hi AP Welcome to the forum,what are your views on the European Union?